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⌈ Secret Post #5407 ⌋

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Comments

[sparklywalls]

Would that make Shakespeare the anti-fandom originator? I guess he was writing pro-Tudor which means you're anti-Richard by default, but in a way Henry Tudor himself started that by backdating his reign to the day before the battle.

Seriously though, I don't love the "Richard was a complete monster" attitude at all but some of the stuff on the pro side is a bit too...not especially historical either for my liking.

[(Anonymous)]

I enjoy reading historical fiction featuring people that really exhisted and it's almost impossible to find a nuanced take. Richard is either evil incarnate or (more often actually now that I think about it) a saint who did nothing wrong ever (in which case Henry Tudor is a terrible person ofc.)
Someone please write me ONE good book (series) in which both of these men are interesting, flawed people but with good traits. Bonus points if it has a nice Henry VII/Elizabeth of York relationship.

[sparklywalls]

You're talking my language anon. The unsolved mystery element surrounding Richard is what got me interested in that era, but I get annoyed when any work of fiction involving him concentrates completely on that and ignores everything else to do with him, good and bad.

I am also not here for when the only way to make Richard look good is to turn Henry into a monster instead. Like I get it, fiction has to exaggerate a bit to be entertaining but it's just getting boring that only one of them can be an angel meaning that the other is automatically a demon. Didn't The White Princess basically imply Henry abused Elizabeth for example? When their marriage was fairly happy (as happy as a politically convenient marriage can be) from the sources iirc?

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like Sharon Kay Penman comes closest, but her Sunne in Splendour was fairly pro-Richard. Not to a crazy extent, I don't think? But sympathetic.

I admit, I dislike Josephine Tey's The Daughter of Time because IMO, it is pro-Richard to the point of irrationality. But I'm going off dim memories here, because I only read it once and disliked it so much I refused to reread it.

Personally, I don't think Richard III was satan incarnate. But I don't think he was a saint, and I do think he was ultimately responsible for the deaths of his nephews.

[(Anonymous)]

My mom loaned me her copy of The Daughter of Time. I haven't finished reading it, but I've been enjoying it BECAUSE it's so over the top.