[ SECRET POST #5425 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5425 ⌋

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[The Untamed]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

But WHY are they tagging their fics "no fandom" (or "lol no" or "nope") when AO3 has a perfectly fine "Video Game RPF" fandom category that is easily filtered out. Q_Q

[(Anonymous)]

Oh! I can answer this one! Because those fics are not RPF--they're fics about the fictional roleplay characters played by those Minecraft streamers in various servers and stories. The "lol no" and "nope" tags are an act of frustration, mostly, because those fandoms aren't allowed by AO3 to differentiate their works properly.

Example issues:
-in some cases, the tag used for the streamer uses their full/legal/real name, which is not helpful for fandom content when we want to write about, say, the winged immortal character played by streamer Ph1lza and not a fic about the normal human English streamer dude Phil Watson. In a lot of these, the streamer's legal name isn't even commonly known, so people trying to search for fics involving MumboJumbo's RP work can't find or tag them correctly.
-some of these streamers are involved in different fandoms. When you're looking for Scott Major content, are you looking for the character he plays in Origins SMP? Empires SMP? 3rd/Last Life? X Life? Is it an MCC fic? There's no way to differentiate, and the characters and storylines are different.
-the content of these RP plots and the fics related to them sometimes involve violent/graphic content--notably lots of murder in 3rd/Last Life, and violent abuse in Dream SMP. To be forced to tag a story as RPF when it's about the character Dream and the character Tommy Innit and not the human person known as Dream/Clay (no last name known but AO3 forces real name tags anyway) torturing and abusing his 17-year-old streaming buddy Tom Simons.
-and just, in general, again, it's not RPF. There are people involved in these fandoms who do write RPF, and that's great for them, but I'd say at like 90% of the fic involved is not RPF and shouldn't be tagged as such.

[feotakahari]

AO3 mods post on Tumblr a lot. You could probably bring this up with them.

[(Anonymous)]

Hundreds of requests have been submitted and the Tumblr fandoms involved have been very vocal about it for a long time. Nothing's changed. AO3 recently even forcibly recategorized dozens of fics when fans of the Last Life SMP tried to use an unused "Last Life (Web Series)" tag--forcing it all back into the "Videogame RPF" catchall.

[(Anonymous)]

i mean i get the struggle but "forcibly recategorised", come on now.
y'all used a wrong tag on purpose, in a couple of years how will people understand what the tag means if they weren't in fandom? you have to think outside your little circle and in terms of ao3 being an archive

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, yeah, but by the same coin, how are people going to understand the current state of the tags where there's not even a separate "Minecraft RPF" tag and it all has to get shoved into "Video Game RPF", overwhelming that tag so that the people who actually do want video game/streamer RPF can't find anything, and anyone who tries to avoid being wrongfully tagged invariably ends up annoying everyone else?

Like, if we had an actual set of "Web Series" tags that actually describes the content being made--and it's a substantial amount of content--none of this would be happening.

[(Anonymous)]

as i said, i understand that there is an issue, but that was deliberately inflammatory language.

[(Anonymous)]

Everything I've seen about Ao3 tag wranglers and fandoms who disagree with how they categorize and/or syn tags is that the latter basically never win. Like, there's an author who has their original fiction books published elsewhere synned to the 'original works' category because a wrangler felt spiteful about them. Wrestling tags are a complete mess of adding together completely different personas. Unless a tag wrangler who really, really cares about Minecraft RP and is willing to advocate comes along, user complaints will do zilch.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT Yeaaah that's what it seems like. It just seems ridiculous when this one niche is such a large and active fandom--Dream SMP regularly trends on Twitter, apparently--clogging up a tag that 90% of its users actively don't want to be using.

[(Anonymous)]

i write for a minecraft roleplay and i don't use that category because it's not RPF. believe me, i wish it was different but when i write about the seven foot tall anthropomorphic that destroyed an entire country in an act of terrorism, i really don't want to use a tag for the real person which includes a name that may or may not be his real name that he's asked people not to use just because said person plays the pig.

heck, one of the tags actually explicitly goes against the wishes of one of the players who happens to be an abuse victim so. it's not great over here in the minecraft rp fandom. we're sorry. we don't want to be here anymore than people want us here.