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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2021-11-15 05:20 pm

[ SECRET POST #5428 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5428 ⌋

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Re: Because nothing happened in 1969 that reverberated through history?

(Anonymous) 2021-11-16 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Networked communication and the gay rights movement, much like the moon landing, would have happened later if they hadn't happened in 1969. Those aren't really pivotal events in any way. They're milestones that we can point to, and this shouldn't take away from their historical importance. But they're basically just part of broader historical trends. The specific details of the implementation of early computer network technology don't really have that significant impact in respect of the broader historical impact of the Internet. And the Manson murders, well, I don't know what the historical impact of the Manson murders is even supposed to be.

Compare that to the assassinations of MLK and RFK. These weren't just milestones in a broader historical trend; they were extremely specific events that had a dramatic and pivotal impact based on the specific circumstances in which they occurred. If Sirhan Sirhan just misses his shot, RFK not being killed has a tremendous effect on the subsequent political history of the United States.

Re: Because nothing happened in 1969 that reverberated through history?

(Anonymous) 2021-11-17 03:08 pm (UTC)(link)
The Stonewall riots weren’t just “a milestone we can look back to” in terms of gay rights, they were started by police brutality. They were a pivotal movement of fighting back against oppression, and for LGBT rights.

And your argument about what events make a year historically significant and what don’t are superfluous and make no actual sense. It feels like you’re trying to be pedantic, but that at least requires having a point, even if it’s a minor and inconsequential one. And you have no real point. MLK and RFK could have been assassinated in any other year, and it wouldn’t have changed anything about the events. That’s the “logic” you’re trying to push, but really you’re just grasping at straws instead of acknowledging that you’re reasoning is faulty. Either an event or tragedy makes a year, or it doesn’t. Whether you think all the events listed in 1969 makes the year relevant in of itself doesn’t matter, because those events are objectively what makes that year a famous one in history. Just as famous and relevant as 1968, but for different reasons. And 1968 is made famous by the events you listed. But again, using your method, nothing you listed had to happen that year. Because the events would speak for themselves as tragedies and milestones no matter the year, as you say.

And you don’t know what the historical significance of the Manson murders is supposed to be? That says everything that needs to be said about your arguments credibility.