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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2021-11-24 04:50 pm

[ SECRET POST #5437 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5437 ⌋

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OP

(Anonymous) 2021-11-25 02:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Just for reference for where I’m coming from to people who are saying things like “The pronunciation used in the show is correct too” or “it’s a regional difference”: You are correct, and I am aware of that. And I definitely made a mistake phrasing Steven Universe’s pronunciations as “objectively wrong”. But, it’s an American show, so it would make more sense to me to use the traditional regional pronunciation for region, before it became more varied and acceptable to use the “dot” pronunciation. Which comes from the French “peridot”, based in the Latin “pæderot”, which is also spelled “perido” at times. And since that would have it be pronounced with the T being silent and a long O, it stands out to me that it’s pronounced so differently.

Some gemologists do believe the Latin pronunciation to be the original one. And if that were the case, it would make “Peri-doe” more generally correct, with the other regional differences coming after. But that’s still just speculation at this point, so it really is a to-may-to/to-mah-to situation.

And when I mention it bothering me, I mean the show only. Rebecca Sugar and the crew of Steven Universe went with the most traditional English speaking pronunciations of all of the gems, except Peridot and Lapis Lazuli. So it stands out to me, and I think will continue to bug me based on what feels to me like an inconsistency. I don’t mind hearing the gems be pronounced like the show does IRL, which is why I didn’t say anything about whether I shared that opinion outside of the show. Because regional differences in any word or letter are completely fine, and it’s not cool to be rude to anyone based on how they use a different but equally correct pronunciation. Which is why I stated that it was a silly thing to get so bothered by in the show, and why it’s hypocritical that the show’s pronunciation of Lapis Lazuli bugs me less because it feels just as “right” in a regional way. This secret is a nitpick based on this cartoon alone, and the nitpick is based on the show’s inconsistency with regional pronunciations like I said earlier in this comment.

And just to clarify further my position, I did study some gemology in order to work in jewelry stores, but I can definitively say that I’m no actual expert. Both on gems and the storied history behind them, and the origins of how they’re pronounced. I only studied the classes most necessary to work in the field I was interested in, but I would like to study further in the future.

All that to say I’m absolutely not trying to say I’m some objective voice on these matters, and I’m not trying to judge everyone for their different but correct pronunciations. I’m just someone who talks a lot, and I made some bad and oversimplified word choices in this secret trying to make it short enough to be manageable for the awesome secret maker. I also have a bad habit of talking like an overly wordy know-it-all when it comes to how I type online, as well as my tone issues in general. Which is a habit I’m trying to correct, but do admittedly have trouble with.

I want to thank everyone for the responses! This has been a lot of fun to read!

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2021-11-26 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
but again, Peridot is not named after a latin source. It was named after Peridot, Arizona, USA, where it was originally mined and THAT CITY is pronounced 'Pear-a-DOT' so... You're really just flat out wrong if you say 'Per-i-dough' because that's not how the city is pronounced. I live in a state where there's a city called 'Des Moines' and it's totally pronounced 'DEZ-MOUIN-AZ' so if there were a stone named after that city, the shitty butchered pronunciation for the stone would still actually be the correct one, not 'de moine' (I'm bad at writing pronunciations I apologize. I also knew this secret would fall on a day that I couldn't write this comment and actually be part of the discussion).