[ SECRET POST #5442 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5442 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Oh good, you. Let me guess, you’re going to call AO3 users a “coven” again?

[(Anonymous)]

I would never denigrate flesh eating witches like that by comparing them to AO3. Start respecting author cease and desists, then they might get an upgrade to sisters of Satan status.

[(Anonymous)]

AO3 was founded for the specific purpose being able to ignore author C&Ds. I think you've got a bit of a lost cause there, buddy.

Also has 0% to do with self-insert writers.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for confirming that AO3's function as far as its members are concerned, is author's rights for me, but not for thee.

[(Anonymous)]

It actually isn't: AO3 doesn't care if you post fic of other people's fic without their permission, unless it's clearly for the purpose of harassing that person or you're reposting enough copy+paste from the original that it's plagiarism, and those rules also apply to fic of published works.

If you do that for someone who has stated that they don't want fanwork of their works, the person's friends will probably yell at you for ignoring their wishes, but that's not anything to do with AO3's policies and it's also not anything a published author couldn't also do.

[(Anonymous)]

And if you want to understand why a lot of fans are happy to write about published works without the author's approval, but wouldn't do it for fanworks, there's basically three principles in play here (none of which are reflected in AO3's policies):

1. People think that if you've sold your work, you have made the choice to trade total control of your art for making as much money as possible, so as long as we aren't interfering with your ability to make money, we're holding up our end of the deal. If you haven't decided to trade your work for money, we'll be more interested in your feelings on the matter, since we're having a feelings-based relationship, not a money-based one.

2. If a work has become popular enough that it's part of people's everyday mythology (like Marvel or GoT) then people think it's our right as a human beings to tell stories about the stories that shape our culture. Very few fanworks reach this level of popularity (and the ones that do usually get fic written about them whether the author likes it or not.)

3. Fandom is a social system and community. If a respected writer asks people not to fic their work, people probably won't, because they like them, or because the fanwriter has enough friends that pissing them off is a bad idea. Published writers who haven't made an effort to be part of the community on an equal level aren't part of that system of community respect. Also, if an asshole writer nobody respects asks people not to fic their work in an asshole way, and they don't have any friends, there's a pretty good chance people will fic their work out of spite, because fandom is at least 30% powered by spite.

Each of these three principles will apply in a given situation in different ways. Sometimes they contradict each other! But I sorta think the one that mostly applies in your case is probably #3.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT--It's not though, because while it's seen as rude to write another fan author's OCs, or fic based on other fics, without permission, permission is not required, and Ao3 is incredibly strict about fan authors not being able to profit from anything based on published work/posted to the archive.

[(Anonymous)]

+100

It's a matter of etiquette, not policy. And blanket permissions are a big thing - a lot of AO3 writers have a statement on their bio granting permission for works based on their fic in advance, no need to ask. I have one of these on mine: anyone can make fic, art, translations, podfic, anything at all based on my fic. It's fine with me. You don't need my permission, but you have it. (please send me a link though, I love that stuff!)

This person seems to think that writing fic of other people's fic is some kind of hostile act. It usually isn't. It's usually because that person loved your fic so much it inspired them. Why would I want to be rude about that?

[(Anonymous)]

Don't worry, anon, no one's going to rub their filty ficcer hands all over whatever self-published garbage you're worried about and steal your author's rights.

That would require anyone other than your mom, your cat, and that one friend who's too nice and can't run away from you fast enough to be willing to read your shit.

[(Anonymous)]

+100

Calm down, ragey anon, chances are no one's going to care about your book enough to write fic of it.

[(Anonymous)]

Did I find fucking Anne Rice's alt?

[(Anonymous)]

Are you gushing blood from your nose? If not, then you did not.

[(Anonymous)]

You know what they meant. But your comment still made me laugh, so it’s all good.