[ SECRET POST #5442 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5442 ⌋

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AYRT originally

[(Anonymous)]

I know that it's late and close to the next secret post being posted, but I hope you're still checking on this. I'm going to ignore the validity of the person you're citing (for one, Boyce is identified as part of the alt-right movement, a movement renamed such to all slow acceptance of white supremacist views. In fact, the TERF movement has quite an intersection with the alt-right and white supremacist movements, which, if you are interested in it, is discussed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyODMw6Xm-8). Instead, I would like to offer a different perspective.

You're stating that your support of TERFs, or at least, sympathy for them, is based around the trans community and the actions of trans activists. However, disliking or even hating the actions of some activists does not mean groups do not deserve rights. And, let me be clear, the goal of TERFs/gender-critical feminists is to prevent or even dispose of the rights of trans people. They are behind things such as the bathroom bills in the U.S., for one thing. If you're interested in what their viewpoints are, beyond what is just discussed and labeled in online arguments and name-calling, I suggest this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDNQoZObOh4). There are probably other good ones out there, but this one is very good as well. It IS long, but it's pretty informative. There's also this article (https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/9/5/20840101/terfs-radical-feminists-gender-critical), if that video proves too long.

Again, I would like to iterate that regardless of how you feel about groups fighting for certain groups' rights, that the discussion of a groups' rights should not be dependent on whether a group presents it well or advocates for it well. Yes, that sort of thing is important. I won't argue that. But the best thing for trans people is to have rights.

Also, if you're interested in reactions to Chapelle's stand up show (in full, as in yes they watch the entire context), I also have watched two very good videos, both assuming Chapelle was working in good faith/more positive faith and building their critiques on that. One is from the woman I already linked before. Another is a trans-black woman who says she likes offensive humor and is a fan of Chapelle's older works. If you yourself are a fan of Chapelle, you may prefer the latter. They also have follow-ups that are about Chapelle's later actions, but those are separate videos and can be consumed separately from their initial assumptions. These initial videos aren't exactly positive, but they are more nuanced than the knee jerk reactions you may have been seeing and may give a better idea of what is exactly transphobic, even in context, and what just sounds like a guy who seemed to be positively learning and changing his views.

Re: AYRT originally, same anon

[(Anonymous)]

The video by the first woman is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiJQV378F5A

The video by a trans Black woman is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voiivxS3X3I

Their followups, from a few weeks after and based on Chappelle's own reactions in the weeks that followed, in order, are

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDxv9yMNZow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I07KNjNb1vE