[ SECRET POST #800 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #800 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 16 pages, 383 secrets from Secret Submission Post #115.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 4 5 6 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[la-petite-singe.livejournal.com]

There's a difference between debating and wanking. As I said in my original comment, I only just discovered this thing, so I don't pretend to be an expert on it by any means, but I think the OP's point was that at this point it's not going anywhere and no one's learning anything, it's just descended into bitching. (They're calling it RaceFail for a reason.) And my point was that if that's the case, then fuck it; we might as well just focus on some hot, mind-numbing fanfic for all the good it's doing.

[vivalana.livejournal.com]

They're calling it RaceFail for a reason

Yes, I don't think it means what you think it means.

As I said in my original comment, I only just discovered this thing, so I don't pretend to be an expert on it by any means, but I think the OP's point was that at this point it's not going anywhere and no one's learning anything, it's just descended into bitching.

And I disagree with that point with my whole heart. I've actually been following RaceFail 09, and I've read some really heart-breaking and thought-provoking essays from fans who have contributed to the discussion. It changed how I look at the world. How can anyone say that no one's leaned anything? I've learned something. If no one was learning, experiencing, being affected, this wouldn't be happening right now.

You said that you haven't delved into this debate recently. Know now that people have been hurt. Fans are actually being threatened and outed because they say things that some figures with authority don't like, and when you declare that they shut up and quit bitching you're stepping on a huge minefield built from what has transpired that you're probably not aware of yet.

If you want to read more about what's been going on, here's a good summary (http://rydra-wong.livejournal.com/155427.html) of the events. If you want to read further, check out Metafandom (http://community.livejournal.com/metafandom/).

Your response was, I quote: What a maelstrom of moronity. I support this porn idea 100%.

Now you say that you only have just discovered RaceFail 09. I suggest (not decree, but I seriously suggest) that if you're going to agree with a secret declaring that fans shut up and write porn, that you get a better grasp for yourself of what that means to those ladies who, as you read into the secret, have "descended into bitching".

[slytherincesss.livejournal.com]

I just want to say that you rule me. Thank you for your cogent, informative responses here.

We should never stop talking about race and how people of color are impacted by racism, and we should never ever tell anyone discussing racism to STFU.