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⌈ Secret Post #800 ⌋

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I generally agree with what you've put here (in the sense that talking about all of this is very good and necessary), though I want to note for the record that you don't know the ethnicity of the OP. I followed the whole thing for a while and it gave me a very bad migrane about how stupid some people were taking it. Some threads really had descended to nothing more than insulting occuring on both sides of it, so I do see where the OP is coming from even if I disagree. (Especially if they mean it more as "please, can we calm down for a few minutes THEN continue the discussion with the intelligent discourse but without the personal attacks" like I've seen some people call for. But I don't think the OP is saying that, which is why I disagree very much with said OP)

I'm a minority myself, so please don't bash me for calling on white privilege or anything of that. All I mean is - while I agree with much of your criticism! - descending into "how, fine, live in your pretty, privileged world, but for GOD'S SAKE stop dismissing everyone else's suffering, oppression, discrimination, etc. as something that they need to stop talking about", etc doesn't help. As you said, the internet is anonymous. For all you know, OP could (I don't think so, but it's possible) be a minority who is just tired of all the excessive drama that Racefail been coming up with (outings, bashings, broken friendships, the lot).

...I tried to word that in a way that would not sound like I'm attacking you, because I'm really not. I just disagree with one point of your critique, because, well. It's not just the WASP priveleged elite who might want to avoid drama. Sometimes the minorities come online to get away from it all, not to get into it all, y'know? But again - it's a necessary discussion to have in SF/F in general, etc. Just try not to make ad hominim assumptions, because that's as revealing of set biases and prejudices as the OP's avoidance is.

*sigh* Hopefully this didn't come off half as badly as I'm sure it did.

No, I should really be apologizing.

I'm sorry for generalizing like that; you're right, it doesn't help and it's not very mature.

I just...(and I'm really not trying to excuse myself) I wanted to make the point that when people are talking about something that directly affects them in a negative way (such as prejudice), other people (especially the ones who belong to the group that take part in the discrimination) really shouldn't come in and start dismissing their concerns/opinions just because they do not believe it is something that deserves attention/is unimportant/whatever.

You are right, the sarcasm/name calling doesn't help, and I let my emotions rule for a moment, but I really do believe that people should talk about this. From all sides. And no, people shouldn't be forced to participate in something that makes them uncomfortable/hurt/etc. (even, in this case, white people.) However, not having to deal with it is a privilege that, unfortunately, white people usually posses. Because they can always sign off and go back to their real life and be unaffected. But for everyone else, they usually can't.

Err, I also apologize if I gave the impression of someone that would jump down your throat for calling me out on my own flaws. I try to welcome criticism. I take it as an educational experience (after sobbing into my pillow for a half hour. Just kidding.)

For the record, I am white. I usually am not a big participator in online discussions and throughout most of racefail, I have hung back and watched. I'm kind of intimidated easily in RL. :/ Umm, but it's opinions like the OPs that generate the strongest reaction from myself. Mainly because it is the people who share those opinions (which are usually white) that keep racefail keep going.

Err, hopefully this didn't come out as horrible as it sounds to myself. D:

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