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fandomsecrets2009-03-16 04:24 pm
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[ SECRET POST #801 ]
⌈ Secret Post #801 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Notes:
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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(Anonymous) 2009-03-17 02:00 am (UTC)(link)(This is a genuine question, not a rhetorical trap.)
When those of you who id both as slasher and feminists write slash, do you feel it's connected to your feminism, or is it more sort of partitioned as a seperate thing entirely.
I ask because I think my feminism directly impacts the way I do fandom - I seek out female characters, write stories where they have a dominant role, and femslash the hell out of them always conscious of my Rarr Feminist Rage that I don't get enough feminist stories from canon. I either love a fandom for its feminism, or lay claim to female characters with potential who were cheated by a canon that didn't do them justice. If a fandom has no strong female characters, I actively dislike and avoid it.
I'm not in any way suggesting that that's the 'right' feminist way to do fandom, just that it's the way I do it. I'm curious as to how the slasher vibe works for people who have strong feminist sensibilities.
(I'm guessing libidinal investment is a factor in this. Pretty sure the fact that I haven't the least twinge of sexual interest in men may be a relevant and less high-philosophical reason why I couldn't care less about the most slashful fandoms.)
Re: 146
(Anonymous) 2009-03-17 02:47 am (UTC)(link)I don't see slash as explicitly feminist. Or explicitly anything, other than explicitly m/m romance (using romance in a broad sense here). I think erotic fanfic, of any type, written by women for women, can be a way for women to reclaim their sexuality, and that can be feminist. Moreover, slash (or femslash) can be a way for authors to subvert heterosexual assumptions and gender roles. But it's not inherent to the genre.
Are there slash fics that are feminist!fail? Sure, plenty of them. But I see just as much fail in het, and even occasionally in femslash (one of my fandoms, Doctor Who, has a fair bit of femslash, but much of it has the female characters fixated on a male character). I think slash can be v. problematic as well. Not just in focusing on male characters, which doesn't bother me too much (it does bother me a bit), provided there's no misogyny in the way the female characters in the story are handled (which, to be fair, is as much a problem in het, for the characters that aren't part of the pairing). But I worry about gender roles in my fic, about if I'm subconsciously using negative heteronormative patterns, if I conflate penetration and agency, etc.
Tl;dr: There's potential for win and for fail in slash.
And I prefer m/m because I ship for character dynamics and go for a certain type of relationship, and the characters in such a relationship are male 99% of the time. Were I to write original fic with such a pairing, I'd def make at least one of the characters female, and possibly both, but I'm writing fanfic, and have to make do.
Sry if a bit incoherent.
Re: 146
I don't often bring my politics into fandom. I like a pairing because I like that pairing, regardless of appearance, gender, or anything else. Now there are obviously reasons I like one pairing and not eight others in the same canon, but I think that's true for any fan, isn't it? I do it because I like it.
I've only had two slash 'ships in nearly 20 years of various fandoms, and only a few het 'ships. When I find something I like, I tend to stick to it, and I don't generally write five at once like some people can.