[ SECRET POST #5490 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5490 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah the idea that Korea doesn’t do this is... no they absolutely do. What they don’t do as much is whitewash their idols as these days, the boys anyway I think there’s still an amount of making the lady idols paler than they are through editing and make up, but the ‘perfect’ ‘flawless’ beauty standard is 100% just as prevalent.

[fizzyrose]

Yes and no. I think it depends on the show? Idols, def they're barbie perfect as much as possible all the time. But there's a lot of shows and movies where people look a lot more natural. I'm not particularly into kdramas or anything as Thing but if I come across a show or movie with an interesting premise I'll give it a watch.

For the cdramas for me it's the obvious wigs that do it for me on some of them. Like looking at the Party City wig catalogue. I guess they used all their budget on the makeup.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Yes! Kpop wasn't the best word to use, but even idols have some variations in looks occasionally. And you can find people looking like people in a lot of the shows

I can make another secret just about wigs - they are so awful. Also I am not over the show there guy's beard looked like it was drawn with a marker

[(Anonymous)]

Given that Asian people can be that pale naturally, and it's a very old beauty standard, is it really whitewashing? China certainly doesn't seem to think so, and have said as much. Somehow a country with ancient cultural traditions of their own doesn't like being told that part of their culture is actually prejudice from the West.

[(Anonymous)]

Pale was always a thing in East Asia historically. It meant you weren't a farmer or someone who had to work in the sun all day. Nobles and shit were always described as pale, and beautiful women compared to the moon

[(Anonymous)]

So the takeaway here is, it's colorism not racism?

[(Anonymous)]

The takeaway is, it's down to their population to work out their relationship with it. Not anyone outside that.

[(Anonymous)]

Colorism linked to classism, yes.

Still bad but not 'whitewashing' in the Western sense of the word.

[(Anonymous)]

DA Surely every beauty standard has come from classism? When food is scarce, bigger women are preferred. When unhealthy food is plentiful, thinner women. When most of a population work the fields, those that are rich will be paler. That's why pale had been a pretty universal beauty thing everywhere where the sun won't burn you to a crisp. At least, until Coco Chanel made tans fashionable in the West.

[(Anonymous)]

Arguably almost everything is related to classism, including sexism and racism, it's all a big mash up of humanity's greatest hits.

All I'm saying is it's nothing to do with white people, it literally pre-dated a lot of western civilization. See the Han Dynasty which was like 200 BC.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT Oh I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying colorism is just classism.

[(Anonymous)]

Not even that. As others have said, it's a class thing - being pale signified that you were rich and didn't have to work outdoors, and thus it was considered a thing to aspire to.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT Exactly. I can really understand why being told that this ancient beauty standard is 'white washing ' would piss people off. It's so goddamn ignorant and assumes a complete lack of history outside the West's own politics.

[(Anonymous)]

You're not wrong that they airbrush the shit out of everyone, but 'whitewashing' is a loaded term there.

Plus not all Korea's media is idol media, and non-idol media is way less heavy on the perfection fantasy. But everyone knows the perfection fantasy is what idol media is selling.

[(Anonymous)]

OP was referring to K-pop in particular though.