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⌈ Secret Post #805 ⌋

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101.

[White Tiger/ Spider-Man]

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102.

[brentalfloss/FlossOriginals]

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103.

[30 Seconds to Mars]

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[Naruto]

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[Prince of Tennis]

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[heroes, american idol

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[Kim Possible]

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[rurouni kenshin]

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[The Mirror has Two Faces, Vicar of Dibley]

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[The World Ends With You]

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[Star Trek 2009: Kirk/Spock ]

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[Battlestar Galactica]

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114.

[Skies of Arcadia]

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115.

[Digimon]

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116.

[Mass Effect]

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[Paul Merton]

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[Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters]

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120.

[Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei]

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[Rookies]

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122.

[Merlin]

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[The Beatles and Harry Potter]

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[Blackadder/Rowan Atkinson/Mr Bean]

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[My Wish - Rascal Flatts]

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[Alexz Johnson, Kurosaki/Tsurara (Kurosagi)]

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[Skyfire/Starscream; Transformers]

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[Street Fighter]

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[House, resized]

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[Boris Johnson]

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[Torchwood | Jack/Gwen]

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[Twilight cast]

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[Ganbare Goemon]

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[Superjail]

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[chrome shelled regios]

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[Supernatural]

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[Life/Life on Mars]

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[Project Runway Canada]

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159.

[Skins, The Monkees]

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[Yu-Gi-Oh!]

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[Fakenews/Sean Hannity]

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164.

[Taking Woodstock, OK Go, Watchmen, Important Things With Demetri Martin]

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165.

[NCIS]

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167.

[Fred Durst (Limp Bizkit) / Jonathan Davis (Korn)]

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[The Police]

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[Major/Colonel Schubaltz, Zoids]

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Ah, sorry, I didn't mean to sound offensive (I never know how people will take LJ comments, which are void of tone and emphasis) - I just wasn't sure if your comment was made in terms of movie or history. I realise that, yes, in terms of the movie and the Biblical telling the Egyptians are the villains (which is why I haven't commented on (m)any of the threads on this topic), but the portrayal of them as slavers always irks me. So I apologise for taking what you meant in film context as historical. Sorry!

Also, as an atheist myself (well, agnostic? who knows what's out there, really?) I really enjoy debating Biblical archaeology with people of religion. Biblical history vs. Egyptological record was something that a Methodist friend and I debated (with each arguing both sides) throughout our degree. While obviously followers of the Bible are going to side with Moses in this case, the Bible is written from that side - and as such is potentially biased or exagerated - that's not to say it's not true, as you point out, we don't exactly have any handy archaeological evidence to back up either side.

And that's actually one of the reasons I hate the film in question - it gives prompt to the aforementioned Smug Atheists to back up Ramses and slander Moses, when I'd really much rather them support Ramses because he did a lot of awesome stuff, and not just because he's a handy anti-religious figure :/

No offense taken - hazard of a text-only interface.

The "If it's in the Bible it is absolute 100% literal truth the end full stop no room for scribe's or translator's error no room for bias not up for discussion" is a viewpoint some of my relatives take and it makes it difficult when every conversation ends with, "I just believe that if it's in this book, it's true." I wind up playing historian and devil's advocate a lot IRL (to the point where some of said family probably thinks I'm an atheist myself) - where elsewhere I take up for my faith and the stories of my faith much more freely.

I'd really much rather them support Ramses because he did a lot of awesome stuff, and not just because he's a handy anti-religious figure :/

That makes me LOL, in large part because - wasn't Ramses the Great one of the Pharaohs who got honorary god status for outliving everyone*? (The film totally mischaracterizes historical!Ramses - he was clearly a badass, not a woobie.)

*to grossly oversimplify Egyptian religious tradition.

I think the Bible has a lot of truth-based events chronicled within it... it's just that it wasn't faxed directly from God, and as a result there are likely to be errors in translation and human biases. It's like, there is evidence for the plagues of Egypt - but is that evidence showing that the plagues were natural occurances, or merely a side-effect from the hand of a higher power? We'll never know one way or the other, so I'm happy to argue both ways.

My dissertation was on Ramses and his self-deification. He turned himself into a god in his lifetime, because apparently he couldn't wait til after death like every other pharaoh XD My favourite piece of art shows him as king offering to himself as a god. Total badass. He'd be so pissed at how he was shown in that movie!

But at the same time Egyptians were amazing for not having religious conflict - if a neighbouring kingdom had different gods it didn't go to war with them over it, Egypt just took on their gods as well to keep everyone happy. They certainly weren't religious extremists. It makes the whole Exodus thing even more complicated. What I wouldn't give for a time machine...

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