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DA Same here. I think there are some bad apples that need to be dealt with and some instititutional practices that need to be changed, but I don't think all cops are evil.

NAYRT - I don't think most cops are individually evil. I do think there needs to be significant reform and meaningful civilian oversight on police practices, and my impression is that most cops, even ones who aren't evil, are opposed to reform and support police unions who regard any increase in oversight as an outright attack.

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Well, I think in many places it's a lot more than just 'some bad apples'. But that doesn't mean I hate all cops, it means I hate the system that allows bad cops to continue being bad cops. Something definitely needs to change. Actually a lot of things.

And that requires the "good apples" to cover up for the bad ones, allowing them to perpetuate their badness day upon day?

There are few campily evil cops, but there is a lot of the banality of evil in them all. The ones who aren't actively causing harm will still cover up for those who do, will look the other way, will not intervene to deter harm, and that is the real everyday evil of all cops.

+1 This is exactly what finally frustrated me to the turning point. Sure, not all cops are bad. But then why aren't the good ones keeping their shitty coworkers in check?

According to various accounts I've seen posted on social media (which does not necessarily make them true, but they certainly seem to be plausible): when good cops try to hold bad cops accountable, they're fired or otherwise forced out.

I don't believe this to be the case in EVERY police force - I very much suspect that there's some small town somewhere that has like 300 people and maybe 5 cops total who wanted to be cops so they could be helpful and protective for their families and neighbors, and the entire police force there is good. But when you get into large police forces in large/historical cities with a "traditional culture" among the police that dates back to the days when they were out there to catch runaway slaves and the like... I doubt good cops survive in those places for long before they're no longer cops.

And that is why all cops are bastards, because the non bastards very quickly stop being cops.

Idk. You could say this about every group of people that disproportionately does bad shit. But you don't. So it's a bit hypocritical to only do this about cops.

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(Anonymous) - 2022-02-12 05:51 (UTC) - Expand

Well, there was that one lady who lost her pension because she was a good cop:
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/buffalo/news/2021/04/13/cariol-horne-has-pension-reinstated

Thankfully, she was able to get it back.

This. And even if they are lucky enough to get an investigation going, more often than not they'll see the bad cops getting slaps on the wrist. Or they'll know that's what would likely happen if they tried to investigate them and hold them accountable. So after a while it'd be so easy to start to wonder, "Why bother?" as a result.

I also have no problem believing good cops who do try and sound the alarm have gotten threats on their lives or those of their loved ones as well, and may have even had encounters with people who tried to act on those threats to boot.

i would suspect it's the same reason that most people aren't inclined to whistleblow in general: their priority is keeping their own job and not getting entangled in all of the legal hassles involved in reporting someone for wrongdoing.

When your job is supposed to be "protect and serve," that makes you not a good cop in my book.

Uphold the law. That is their job description. Right there. Tell me where it says "uphold the law, unless it gets a bit tricky or you have to tattle on your friends, then screw it". They knowingly took a job with higher responsibilities and risks than working a till at the supermarket, so if they aren't willing to live up to those responsibilities then they can either quit or accept they are one of the dirty cops everyone is mad about.

That's true in 90% of jobs, though. Just look at Blizzard/Activision, for example.

Blizzard employees don't get to send people to prison, nor are they employed specifically to intervene against crime. Evil cops...

That comparison isn't even apples and oranges, it is apples and moonrocks.

The difference is that in most of that 90% of jobs, if your bad apple decides to murder someone for looking at them funny they're not going to get a paid vacation until the DA decides that they were perfectly justified because a ballpoint pen totally could have looked like a gun from a distance and also the victim smoked pot once.

At Blizzard Activision, people got fired, the company's stock went down in value, the CEO probably would have been fired if they hadn't gotten acquired (and he will leave once the acquisition closes), and they have changed their policies and brought in people to try to change the culture. And many employees at the company supported those changes and wanted more aggressive changes - employee unhappiness was a huge part of the problem for them. So the analogy isn't totally accurate.

I do agree that it's generally a problem that people in positions of power often don't face consequences for their misdeeds. That's a systemic cultural problem. At the same time, police are shielded from consequences in particularly notable ways, and individual police officers support the strong resistance to change within police departments, and unlike private companies, police are public servants who are supposed to be answerable to civilian governments and ultimately to the people.

only because it got reported to outside sources, though. lbr, if it hadn't gotten out you know nothing would have happened and it would just have kept on going for years.

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(Anonymous) - 2022-02-11 01:30 (UTC) - Expand

And 99% of all people. The products you buy are made with slave labor. You can choose to buy things that aren't, but you won't because they're slightly more expensive and you don't want to be poor.

butwhataboutbutwhataboutbutwhatabout

Seriously?

It's a shitty system, isn't it? Keep us fighting and competing with one another, so that the rich cunts can continue to live in excess luxury.

90% of jobs and 99% of people are not a state organization with weapons and power over the public.

Yuuuuup. A good apple that's been in a barrel with a bad all its whole apple-career is a bad apple. Some are worse and some are trying to fix the barrel but until there is a major overhaul I can't exactly assume the best.

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