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[ SECRET POST #5534 ]

⌈ Secret Post #5534 ⌋

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[Only Murders in the Building]

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[upcoming cdrama Imperial Cuisine]

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[r/HobbyDrama]

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[Horizon Forbidden West]

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[Neighbors]

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[My Hero Academia]

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I probably have this wrong, but is that not the point of a "universe"? Stick around long enough and there's bound to be stuff you don't care about. Not that it's wrong to prefer something more self-contained. It just sounds like different strokes to me.

I kinda get it. The phase one and two movies all shared the same background world, but you could dip in and out of them because they told separate stories, there were connections but they were either a special event or an easter egg. The current phase, what are we on three or four(?), is more like a fully serialized tv show. You can't really dip in and out, and that isn't everyone's taste.

"Due to the premise of the film involving The Multiverse and a long-running, established franchise with multiple iterations, this article assumes you've seen the Spider-Man Trilogy, The Amazing Spider-Man Series, and every entry of the Marvel Cinematic Universe featuring Spider-Man up until Spider-Man: Far From Home. As such, this page will have unmarked spoilers for those films."

- the tvtropes page for spider-man no way home

that is a LOT of assumptions and that's to understand ONE of the films

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It's not just the fact that there's stuff you don't care about; it's the fact that the stuff you do care about comes to rely on the stuff you don't care about. They become intertwined with each other.

It's funny because it's really just the same thing that happened with the Marvel comics. It's the difference between a self-contained narrative about one superhero or supergroup that happens to live in the same world as a bunch of other superheroes, and an epic cosmic crossover where all of the heroes are involved in intricate and complex machinations which are also necessary to understanding their individual storylines.

I think it's fair critique of the creators' "universe" management ability. If they keep adding stuff to their universe but don't change up the style to keep stories more self-contained and try to make everything connect the way it did in earlier phases, it will eventually (if it hasn't already) become detrimental to accessibility and even entertainment quality.

I still like it, but I do worry at a certain point it's going to be both so big and so interconnected it'll be impossible to understand for anyone but the most diehard fans. That's what happens to actual comic books after all, once in a while they need a massive event to start from scratch because no one can keep up anymore.

I definitely do dislike how characters are getting less and less attention. Even big names like Strange and Spider-man have to share their movies with a dozen other people and plots, instead of just letting us spend time with them for a bit. The reason people got attached to the OG Avengers was because we actually got to know them.

You are in good company, OP.

This.

Part of the reason why Black Panther became the huge cultural phenomenon it did was that it had a solid stand-alone story that didn't depend on reference to other movies and shows. The references were there but not central to enjoyment of the film or understanding of the stakes involved.

Nah.

Great contribution. You totally don’t look like an idiot who can’t use their words.

Agreed. I prefer movies where it doesn't connect to some wide, interconnected web. More focus on telling a good story, less on saving the content for a supposed series.

No, it was a phenomenon because it was both entertaining and a genuinely great movie with some really interesting characters, including a villain that was extremely sympathetic. Other ones in the MCU that were particularly great but connected to the wider universe, Like Captain America 2, were also widely successful.

Black Panther was a much bigger success than most of the other solo outings. I think being a movie whose story was capable of standing on its own had a hand in that, helping it attract audiences not otherwise invested in the overall MCU.

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I don't think it was the reason or even a primary reason but I agree that it absolutely had a hand in its success. A lot of people (like me) decided to go ahead and see it when they were assured by MCU fans that it was a standalone and you didn't need to have seen the last five movies to get it and they were right.

But really don't take away from all the other reasons it was actually a very good movie, while also being a very good Marvel movie. Those were the reasons why you could recommend it to a friend or point to a slate of good reviews without having to stop and ask them if they were even into superhero movies.

On the other hand, Shang-chi was just okay, because it had a lot of standalone content but not enough. I don't follow Marvel at all, and the number of times I had to turn to my roommate who does and ask "why is that funny? Who is that? What's the point of them being here now?" to follow certain plot points annoyed me as much as I'm sure it annoyed her that I didn't get it on my own.

I don't think you do to enjoy a single movie, in all honesty, but I do think it's harder to enjoy a single hero/character, and I agree that's annoying.

I don't think you do to enjoy a single movie

It depends on the movie, I think? And it seems like it's getting less easy. Black Panther was more of a standalone than Shang Chi, and it looks like the new Doctor Strange movie is going to require watching a bunch of D+ TV shows.

...I skipped all the D+ shows since I was in MCU burnout so I'm guessing I'll keep doing that.

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As a fandom person I would have liked interconnectivity, but it doesn't make sense. Plots can't stand as their own and they can't stand as part of the universe. I was interested in last Spiderman because of older spiders, but this movie is just bad.
And it doesn't appeal to casual viewer, same as Marcel comics do not appeal to casual reader

co-signed. I'm always unhappy about my relationship with MCU/Marvel TV shows because I'm always behind. It takes some of the joy out of the fandom for me. I don't mind if characters cross paths in each other's shows, but Marvel's doing it too much. If major character development or plot happens in one show and another show depends on that to be appreciated, I end up liking fewer of the shows.

Oh hell yeah. It's mostly killed my interest in the MCU. I liked it much better when we got one or two Marvel movies a year.

The comics are interconnected, so to me, it makes sense that the MCU would be as well.
Just like the comics, it can get frustrating to follow stories and/or characters you don't necessarily care about, so I hear you, OP.

Personally, I prefer the MCU over the comics because I don't have to spend $2.99+ per issue of every comic related to a particular story or character I like.

Yeah, I felt like I was fine up through Endgame without having seen everything (or having seen everything in order). I still understood what was going on.* Moving forward... we'll see. It's not even about spending the money to get Disney+, it's that I don't WANT to watch the TV shows. I just have no interest.

*I would add that not having seen all the movies isn't the same as having no idea what happened in them. I saw the trailers, read reviews, saw discussions, etc., so I wasn't completely lost about the stuff I had passed on and I felt the movies I did see had been doing a decent job of introducing the characters and concepts brought in from other movies.

I'm with you, OP. I liked the new Spiderman film. But then a friend of mine wanted to see it who is just a casual Marvel fan. I suddenly realised she wouldn't get a lot of the references, and introduced new characters in particular.
I then decided that it isn't that great a film, after all. A great film should stand on its own and the viewer doesn't need to watch five other films to comprehend the context.
I'm with you, OP. I was the biggests Marvel fan. I'm now getting burnt out. It started when Falcoln and Winter Soldier just wasn't that good. Then Loki (my fave character) turned out to be terrible imo.
What annoys me most is these films (and tv shows) keep consistently getting good reviews by professional critics. Are they getting paid off by Disney?
Even the best of these films (ie Black Panther) aren't in the same league as say The Godfather or Shawshank Redemption (and I'm saying this from the pov of someone who reallly enjoys the older Marvel films, as Black Panther).

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