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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2009-03-25 05:23 pm

[ SECRET POST #810 ]


⌈ Secret Post #810 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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103

[identity profile] lotusunset.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
...Elaborate please?

If she's not a villain, then what is she?

Maybe I'm just biased because I'm a hardcore Azula fangirl.

Re: 103

[identity profile] kristenell.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 10:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think the secret is saying she isn't a villain. I think it is saying that she isn't a good villain.

103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-25 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
She's a sociopath. Sociopaths as villains have been done nine million times and they're boring, and Azula did absolutely nothing different from the Standard Sociopath Villain.

Ooo, she's evil and she wallows in it, how COMPELLING. Except for the part where it's not.

Re: 103 OP

[identity profile] lotusunset.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think she was really so much the textbook sociopath as everyone seems to think she is. I think she's more of a product of the environment she was raised in.

I don't think she was wallowing in her evil or anything, honestly. I think she was more acting on behalf of what she was raised to believe what was right. I don't think she really knew any better *shrug*

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-25 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I think she's more of a product of the environment she was raised in.

And that's the defense Azula-fen always drag out. Sociopaths are often products of their environment in that that environment draws out and builds upon their sociopathy. It doesn't make them any less sociopathic, and it doesn't make that kind of villain any fresher or any more creative. Because it's not - it's old and it's boring and Azula brings nothing new to the table with her presentation of that kind of villain.

Re: 103 OP

[identity profile] inane-notions.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Except, she doesn't really seem like a sociopath to me. She fits the lessened empathy and remorse bit, but sociopaths are also irresponsible and impulsive, which don't mesh with her whole chessmaster approach to villany. She seems to fit better as having Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I can see a case made for her being fairly two-dimensional in season 2 because she didn't need much in the way of characterization (like Zhao in season 1), but in season 3 they fleshed her out quite a bit, not as much as the main characters, but definitely more than necessary for a villain.

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
And I don't see her as a chessmaster. From moment one she has all the subtlety of a komodo rhino and shows repeatedly that she couldn't politick her way out of a paper bag - the only reason anyone does anything she says, from Mai & Ty Lee to the Dai Li in Ba Sing Se, is because they fear her - and that fear is based solidly in her being such a powerful firebender.

Re: 103 OP

[identity profile] inane-notions.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
Fear and charisma are a large part of politics though, and staging a bloodless coup in a manner of days is fairly subtle - as is setting up Zuko to fall at the beginning of season 3 - as is holding off the invasion and not utilizing the airships until after they made their way in, so that the invasion force could be captured. Could she have been written more subtle? Sure, but she's still the villain in a kids show that those kids need to be able to follow.

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
And I still think she's boring, and that her plans and accomplishments are ridiculously unrealistic for a fourteen-year-old to pulled off.

Re: 103 OP

[identity profile] inane-notions.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
Though, really, all the accomplishments for the kids in that show are quite unrealistic for their ages.