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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2009-03-25 05:23 pm

[ SECRET POST #810 ]


⌈ Secret Post #810 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 06 pages, 146 secrets from Secret Submission Post #116.
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101, 103, 106, 112, 126, 128, 140, 149

[identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
101-I think that's very normal!

103-Really, how come?

106-Err, I don't know if you're being honest, exactly. Maybe what you call pointing out in justice is actually just not giving other people a break and having a victim complex.

110-Go you!

112-No, because he's not a shitty character, pretty or not.

126-Another unicorn spotted!

128-But people love it, don't they?

140-I don't think they're ruining him.

149-Why, is that the Sorting? Like you want him in a different house?

103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Because sociopaths make boring villains unless they bring something new to the genre, and Azula doesn't, her story arc consists of one powerup after another and the things she pulls off read as false because they are patently unrealistic for a fourteen-year-old to accomplish.

Which wouldn't have bothered me half as much if they hadn't already showed us that they had the balls to give us adults as villains in a kids' show with Zhao and Long Feng.

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
But we get adults as villains in kids' shows all the time...

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
You know what's also unrealistic? A bunch of super talented kids with magical Kung Fu powers saving ancient magical Asia from a genocidal tyrant voiced by Luke Skywalker.

Re: 103 OP

[identity profile] easilyentranced.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
lol, you win comments today.

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
ftmfw

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
Being in the fantasy genre does not excuse poor character development.

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
She was the only villain in the show to actually have character development unless you count Zuko, and having talent and intelligence isn't poor character development anyways. Sokka is damn smart for his age and gets some hax sword fighting skills in a single episode, so why don't you bitch about him? Katara became a master waterbender in a few weeks, Toph is ultra talented, and Aang mastered 4 types of bending in a year. All the kids are over talented in some way.

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 02:53 am (UTC)(link)
Because Sokka is actually likable, as are the other kids.

Because Azula bores me and because she could have been a thousand times more interesting if they hadn't made her you Stock Sociopath.

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
In this particular argument you were saying that her "terrible characterization" was because of her talent and intelligence. Saying that she's a bad character because of her talent while the rest of the characters in the show are right up there in talent is ridiculous. You may not like her as a character, that's fine, but she's not a flat character and she's not a stock sociopath though she may share some of the characteristics.

I really don't get your arguments. You complain that Azula is a flat villain, but Zhao is an excellent villain despite the fact that he was constantly defeated and had no character development what-so-ever.

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
So basically, you only want men as villains because having girls fight other kids is boring? lol sexist teenie

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
I don't he meant that. A grown-woman would be a perfectly acceptable villain by his standards.

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you. I ♥ Hama.

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
Also, last time I checked I had a pair of XX chromosomes.

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
Oh fuck you.

Out of ALL my fandoms I've only ever actively disliked two female characters, and Azula is one of them. If we're sticking to Avatar, I adored Hama, and grew to love Mai and Ty Lee (although they were redeemed) and was pleasantly creeped out by the Joo Dees.

Azula bores me, and she reads as a flat and unconvincing and yet the fandom seems to think she's the best thing since the goddamn smallpox vaccine.

And you know what? I'm ALLOWED to dislike Azula on her own merit or lack thereof! And I'm ALLOWED to do that and still be a feminist! And I AM a feminist, proudly so, while you're just a fucking moron.

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
>fourteen-year-old
>adults as villains in a kids' show

You need to get out of the kiddy genre, sounds like. Or get a clue of how it works. Adults beating up kids = child abuse. Children beating up adults = standard junior hero fare.

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
Dude, I love everything about Avatar except Azula, and I've defended it as part of its genre many times before.

I dislike Azula because she falls flat as a villain, with her age only adding to her flatness, and I can dislike Azula for those reasons if I damn well want to.

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
So why do you keep wanking over it? Seems like you're pretty vocal about this, so why the secret? If you don't care what other people say and nothing's gonna change your mind and that's that, why does it need to be a secret?

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
Seems like you're pretty vocal about this, so why the secret?

Because I've been out of Avatar fandom for almost four years now (that is, I interact with the fandom exclusively through my friends list and not through comms or message boards), I haven't talked about avatar since shortly after the finale and I don't want the aforementioned drama (or the vehemence of Azula's adoring hordes) in my inbox.

Re: 103 OP

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 07:15 am (UTC)(link)
You're still replying to the defensive people here, so it wouldn't make a difference whether or not people flooded your inbox. You don't want the drama? Then don't fight people tooth and nail that your opinion is the absolute right and everyone else is wrong. Common sense.