[ SECRET POST #5539 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5539 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

We're spinning out into hypotheticals of hypotheticals. There's no specific answer to the question of "what should Batman do", because the answer would depend on what would work, and that's not something that actually has an answer - what works in the fictional world of the DC Universe is what the writers allow to work.

But I do think that Batman has moral responsibility for the choices that he does and doesn't make (or at least he would, in a universe where these were actual moral conundrums and not genre conventions). If he's delivering inmates to Arkham knowing that they're going to escape and then go off and murder a bunch more people, and there's any other choice he could make that would prevent that from happening, then he bears some degree of responsibility for not making that choice. He can't just say it's Arkham's fault and nothing to do with him.

[(Anonymous)]

He doesn't know they'll escape. We know they'll escape, but Batman cannot see the future though. He always believes that this time Arkham will work on them.

[(Anonymous)]

After they escape for the 3rd or 4th time, he should know. Unless he is incredibly stupid.

[(Anonymous)]

That's what I'm asking you. Is there another choice he can make? Because I don't think there is. It is Arkham's fault, because he doesn't run Arkham, and there's nowhere else he can put them without delving into rather fascist territory. I am explicitly asking you for a solution you would rather see him take that would work in Gotham. Do you want him to build his own private prison? Do you want him to kill them? Where, exactly, do you want him to put them that isn't Arkham? Because if he catches them, he does in fact have to put them somewhere. And if he has nowhere to put them, then Arkham is his only choice, no matter how badly he despairs of how it's run.

[(Anonymous)]

Kill them. These murderers have killed thousands. They have been tried and found guilty. But the government keeps failing on keeping their citizens safe. So either kill them (or permanently paralyze them if you are too delicate to kill) or don't bother doing what you are doing. As I said, above:

Superheroes causes more trouble than they solve when they just let villains be a revolving door of imprisonment. They create villains while not doing anything to stop any villains for more than a few months. Their presence also draw more villains to his city AND cause them to showboat for a superhero's attention.

[(Anonymous)]

Tried, found guilty, but sentenced to imprisonment and not death. Why should Batman have greater say over people's fates than the government?

[(Anonymous)]

Lol, the government is useless in the real world and the DC universe.

[(Anonymous)]

... And that somehow doesn't slide straight into a dystopia in your view? The only solution to superpowered crime is to murder everyone with superpowers? Because that won't manufacture supervillains in and of itself? Because it won't engender desperation and willingness to kill even where there wasn't any before? Giving everyone a license to murder opponents in real life absolutely calms everything down, and righteousness decided by whoever has the biggest nuke or best snipers also goes well for everyone involved. Police should absolutely shoot any and all career criminals on sight.

Right, well. You do you, dear. I do not agree with you and will not agree with you, so I'm going to sign off.

[(Anonymous)]

Even if Batman doesn't kill people, he's still a billionaire vigilante with supertechnology wearing a costume to go out and beat up people and throw them in jail. I think a lot of the points you raise about how this would be a dystopia if it happened in real life are baked into the setup already whether or not Batman kills people.

nayrt

[(Anonymous)]

We don't have Bezos and Musk running around in superhero outfits (yet) but I think just their obscene wealth and how they act makes is edging us towards a dystopia.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

If he can fix Arkham, he should fix Arkham and put them there. If he can't fix Arkham, he should find somewhere else to imprison them. If he can't find somewhere else to imprison them, then he should consider killing them. If he doesn't want to kill them on moral grounds, and instead wants to put them in Arkham so they can escape and kill thousands of people, then he has to bear the moral responsibility of that choice.

And again, I think it's better not to have this discussion in the first place - there's a very good reason that Batman doesn't kill supervillains. It's the fact that Batman is a superhero in a superhero comic book.

[(Anonymous)]

You don't imprison people in mental hospitals, you confine them for treatment. There is a difference, and perpetuating the stereotype that mental hospitals are prisons is causing real life harm. Stop it.

[(Anonymous)]

When someone is criminally insane and sentenced to a mental hospital, it is very much a prison. And even harder to get out of than prison in the real world.

[(Anonymous)]

High security hospitals are not prisons, stop conflating the two.

[(Anonymous)]

With prison you have a greater chance of being released.

[(Anonymous)]

Arkham is, in fact, a de facto prison.

If you don't like that, go whine to DC, not the people who describe it as what it actually is.