[ SECRET POST #5545 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5545 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

To recap what I’ve said previously, the Jedi Order didn’t fall because of Anakin, it fell because of Sidious, and leaving Anakin on Tatooine would have done absolutely nothing to stop it. The plan that led to the massacre and fall of the Jedi Order was Order 66, and that was already in motion before Qui-Gon even met Anakin. The clones had already been ordered and I’m pretty sure were in early production, the war that would bring them onto the field was being kick-started, and the political set-up that would put a Sith Lord in charge of the Galactic Senate was about five minutes away. Nothing Anakin does later really adds OR takes away from that. It’s all already moving, and it will come to fruition with no input whatsoever from Anakin Skywalker. Vader was a bonus for Sidious. He was not in any way integral to the plan.

The mistake the Order made that led to their annihilation was accepting a booby-trapped slave army and being willing to lead them into battle. Their half-assed political involvement and casual acceptance of slavery was what damned them. Anakin and his fall was incidental and symptomatic of the root cause of their demise.

The main thing Anakin does in the prequel trilogy that has real impact on the fate of the galaxy is father Luke and Leia. That’s honestly about it.

[(Anonymous)]

Sidious needed Anakin in the order, that is what him being the chosen one means.

[(Anonymous)]

To do what? Anakin literally didn't do anything that affected the fate of the Order itself. That was all the clones and the Order's decision to accept them.

The Chosen One was more to do with him killing Sidious. The fact that he had been a Jedi and returned to that to kill a Sith Lord at the end, out of love for his Jedi son, was the thing he was destined to do. He rebalanced the Force after Sidious unbalanced it, but all of that was in the Original trilogy, not the Prequels. In the prequels, he's mostly a piece the Force is setting up on the board for later, fathering the twins and getting into a position beside the future Emperor where his later betrayal will have the most impact. But to the fall of the Jedi Order, he really is incidental. They were damned before he ever showed up.

[(Anonymous)]

this theory was wrong in 1999 and it's still wrong lmao

[(Anonymous)]

Give it a rest, you sneering ass.

[(Anonymous)]

Chill.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

this

[(Anonymous)]

Taking Anakin out of the equation doesn't necessarily fix anything - The Jedi Order already had... Problems, and Sidious probably had a plan B - but it wouldn't have hurt. If nothing else, Padme probably lives and who knows what that does to the political structure of the galaxy?

[(Anonymous)]

See comment above, but Sidious still had his Plan A. The clone army is in production in the Jedi's name, and the Galactic Civil War is already started. Literally all he needs is a pretext to draw the Jedi Order's attention to the former as a solution to the latter, and his plan to topple and almost completely massacre the Order with one booby trap is ready to go off.

Padme surviving is an interesting question. That could have interesting changes. But the fact that neither Padme nor the Jedi know who Sidious is probably means she's relatively easy for him to get rid of the old-fashioned way if he needs to.

The more long-term effects of leaving Anakin on Tatooine are harder to grasp. If there's no Anakin, there's no Luke or Leia. If there's no Vader, there's no-one with Jedi powers directly at the Emperor's side to kill him. So the Original Trilogy follows a significantly different trajectory. Unless Sidious got a different ex-Jedi apprentice who had a change of heart, anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, hey. Alderaan still exists.

[(Anonymous)]

... Alderaan's destruction also had pretty much nothing to do with Anakin. Or Leia, really. Tarkin wanted a planet, any planet, to demonstrate the station's power on, and Leia happened to provide an excuse to make it hers. But even if Leia didn't exist, Bail still did, so there was every chance that it might have been Alderaan anyway. Again, though, Vader was just there. He wasn't making any of the decisions. Tarkin was in charge of the Death Star, and Tarkin was the one who chose to fire it.

[(Anonymous)]

If you don't understand that Alderaan was chosen as a target specifically because it was Leia's, then you're far too stupid for your opinion to be taken seriously. Feel free to keep writing essays in the comments though.

[(Anonymous)]

why are being so bitchy over someone's star wars opinions...

[(Anonymous)]

No, it was chosen because it was Leia's, but it was chosen because it was Leia's because she was the rebel they had. If Bail, who was also a rebel, had fallen into their hands, it would have been destroyed because it was his. They just needed a high-profile planet that they had an excuse to target.

The Empire was always going to destroy a planet to demoralise the rebels as soon as the Death Star was operational. Okay, if there never was an Anakin and therefore never was a Leia, maybe it wouldn't have been Alderaan specifically, but that only means it would have been a different planet, not that no planet would have died.

And it could still have been Alderaan, because it could still have been Bail's daughter, because in a universe where he and Breha didn't get handed a baby by Obi-Wan, they might still have adopted the daughter they'd always wanted somewhere else. And since Bail was always a rebel at heart, this theoretical daughter likely would be too, and we could have wound up in exactly the same place.

Alderaan was not Leia's fault, nor directly Anakin's. It was Tarkin's and, further back, Sidious and his Empire's.

I'm not sure why you seem to think that Anakin/Vader was the cause of all the evil in the Star Wars universe. I mean, he is evil, but he's not the start or main driving force of anything. If you wanted to go back in time and save the Star Wars universe by killing someone, you wouldn't do it by killing him, you'd do it by killing Sidious. Preferably before he caught wind of Sifo Dyas and Kamino, and likely before he got anywhere near the Senate. I mean, if you hate Anakin on a personal level as much as you clearly do, and you want to kill him while you're there, by all means murder him in passing while you've got the chance, but if he's the only person you go back in time to kill, you save nothing. Because Anakin isn't the root cause of anything.

[(Anonymous)]

Leia was a problem because she was following in her adopted father's footsteps. If she wasn't around, Alderaan would still have been a prime target because Bail Orgaana pissed off the Emperor.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe you need a nap

[dancingmouse]

Uh-oh, somebody's cranky! You need some warm blue milk? Maybe a Bantha wool blankie?

[(Anonymous)]

Random anon wondering what in hell things are so bad on this post: I for one would gladly welcome the Banta wool blankie. Tauntaun wool would be good too please.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, this is literally true in a boring way (Anakin without Sidious doesn't become Vader) but it doesn't mean anything about the Jedi not falling or balance in the Force or the rest of it. Say Anakin never meets Padme (or she is killed in the battle for Naboo and never gets back to Tatooine), that's no guarantee he doesn't meet somebody else and have Force-sensitive kids with them. Luke and Leia might have got a lot from Padme, but not the Jedi part.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm confused by your secret because Yoda was the leader of the Jedi in the prequels. Yoda was the one who decided Anakin would be trained after Qui-Gon's death.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with what most everyone’s already said above. To add to that, let’s say “what IF Anakin was never trained?” What happens to him then? I mean, to me that just ends up making it even easier for Sidious to get to him and turn him into his favorite puppet, and in that scenario there probably wouldn’t be any Luke and Leia to eventually save the day.

[(Anonymous)]

Nice in theory, doesn't fit the OLD EU/Clone Wars Cartoons lore (which was heavily supervised by Lucas.) Though I get the whole need to try and place blame on someone! In the old EU the Jedi and the Sith had been going about this war for a very long time. Sometimes the Sith won. Sometimes the Jedi won. This whole thing with Sidious was just the next part of the cycle. Qui Gon, Sidious, Jedi Order, all pawns. To Chaos or rather Abeloth.

The whole prophecy regarding Anakin bring balance to the force is not addressed in the movies, it got addressed in the Clone Wars cartoon. (Not a good decision.) If anyone is interested: So, there were original beings/users of the force, a Father, who was balance, and he had a Son and a Daughter. One represented the light side (Daughter), and the other represented the dark side (Son). They had a "mother" who kept the peace. And when the "mother" who was mortal, became Abeloth or Chaos, they had to imprison her in the Maw. Whenever she escaped, the three would imprison her again. Without the mother being peacekeeper, The Son tried to kill the Father, the Daughter got in the way and died. The Father mortally wounded himself to cut the Son off from the force essentially and Anakin killed the Son. What Anakin was SUPPOSED to do... was take the Father's place as the "Balancer" of the force and Anakin refused. Leaving Chaos imprisoned, at some point going to escape... and no one to really oppose her. (And in the old EU she did escape post New Jedi Order and... it didn't end well.)

This whole Anakin killing Palpatine to "redeem" himself was rather meaningless. No one really won as both sides were decimated. Chaos is still out there with no one to oppose her. Or to remember... she exists. (Eep.) The cycle essentially continues for the Sith and the Jedi as they continue to try and kill each other without no one to go "no, bad. Stop fighting. Both are needed."

All Qui Gon did was get Anakin to the "call to action" part of Anakin's journey, then Anakin refused the call and... that's hardly Qui Gon's fault. (The whole Star Wars thing is a nested Hero's Journey within Hero's Journeys. It's Hero's Journeys all the way down.) The Father could have shown up on Tatooine at any time. Anakin's journey is a FAILED hero's journey. And if you only see the movies, it is very poorly executed.

Goodness knows what they're going to do now for new canon, since Favreau and Filoni are still dragging all their clone wars/mandalorian cartoon lore into the new series they're making. And how much you like their cartoon clone war stuff is really going to influence how much you care if they put it in the new shows. Right now, it's mostly just very, very... confusing.