[ SECRET POST #5561 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5561 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Absolutely as long as everyone else is paying too. What do you think funds firefighters, libraries, and public schools? As well as a bunch of other stuff?

Are you an actual child on FS?

[(Anonymous)]

Objectively, empirically, there are a lot of people in the world who wouldn't pay their taxes if they don't have to, or actually don't pay their taxes because they've figured out ways to get out of it.

[(Anonymous)]

Assuming everyone is selfish is a childish thing to do. Also an objectively, empirically incorrect assumption to make.

Besides, objectively, empirically, a whole lot more people do pay their fair share of taxes with full understanding that the money goes to services that help everyone.

[(Anonymous)]

This experiment has been done. The Free Town project, in Grafton, NH; i.e. a bunch of libertarians. The roads fell apart, domestic crime went up, violent crime went up. Then the bears came into town... Pay your taxes people, unless you want to be eaten by a bear.

[(Anonymous)]

Nayrt

But that was all sounding about right until the bears thing. I’m not saying I don’t believe you, I do. I just don’t live in an area where that seems like it would happen even if the rest of obvious results of the experiment happened.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

there's a whole ass book about that (bears included):
https://www.amazon.com/Libertarian-Walks-Into-Bear-Liberate-ebook/dp/B083J1FXY8

an interview with the author:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-project-new-hampshire-libertarians-matthew-hongoltz-hetling

"Sean Illing: When did the bears show up?

Matthew Hongoltz-Hetling:

It turns out that if you have a bunch of people living in the woods in nontraditional living situations, each of which is managing food in their own way and their waste streams in their own way, then you’re essentially teaching the bears in the region that every human habitation is like a puzzle that has to be solved in order to unlock its caloric payload. And so the bears in the area started to take notice of the fact that there were calories available in houses.

One thing that the Free Towners did that encouraged the bears was unintentional, in that they just threw their waste out how they wanted. They didn’t want the government to tell them how to manage their potential bear attractants. The other way was intentional, in that some people just started feeding the bears just for the joy and pleasure of watching them eat.

As you can imagine, things got messy and there was no way for the town to deal with it. Some people were shooting the bears. Some people were feeding the bears. Some people were setting booby traps on their properties in an effort to deter the bears through pain. Others were throwing firecrackers at them. Others were putting cayenne pepper on their garbage so that when the bears sniffed their garbage, they would get a snout full of pepper.

It was an absolute mess."

(find more at the soruce, etc)

[(Anonymous)]

Like I said, I believed them, it was just that “then the bears came” was the only thing that actually surprised me about this crazy experiment. Because that doesn’t seem likely to happen where I live, even if the town fell to ruin. But I know other places are different. Hearing things that I can’t imagine happening to me can still shock my tiny brain sometimes before I remind myself of the fact that there’s a whole world outside of where I live lol.

Either way, this was a very interesting read! I’ll definitely check it out, so thanks for the links!

[(Anonymous)]

SA

(And for further clarification, there’s not a lot of woodland where I live to even have a space to conduct an experiment like this, so that’s why I said I couldn’t imagine it in my original comments. But your comment made clear it was in an actual woodland environment, so how did they not expect bears to be an issue when they’re in the bears own freaking habitat??)

[(Anonymous)]

That's the thing with people who "don't want the government to tell them what to do". Actions have sometimes-unintended consequences. Just because you THINK it's just you doesn't mean it doesn't have an effect on others. It's not the bears that are the issue, because this will happen wherever the experiment is conducted. Regulations are written in blood; pay your taxes.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed!

[(Anonymous)]

Apparently the bears used to be fairly well behaved, because nobody has ever tried to create such a combination of easy buffet and uncoordinated response before (some people feed them, some shot at them, some tried other stuff). What I get from all of this is - if you want to live without rules and society, you really should go out into the wilderness without neighbours....

[(Anonymous)]

Good point!