[ SECRET POST #5577 + 5578 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5577 + 5578 ⌋

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Notes:

Early + double because I'll be away for a bit!

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Comments

[meadowphoenix]

so....what do you think I meant by "contextualizing the present with antiquity's gravitas"? because I'm not seeing how this is in any way a contradiction and what's interesting is that you actually hit on what I meant with this: "mostly Achilles/Patroclus, which I assume is due to That One Book"

Not to go all Devil Wear Prada, but sure the kids are doing knock-off tropey Achilles/Patroclus yes, probably because of Madeline Miller's Song of Achilles which itself is the product of hundreds of years of constant re-contextualizing of Achilles/Patroclus, both academically and in major Western lit circles (from the literal beginnings of Western lit, including the playwright Aeschylus and major foundational western philosopher Plato themselves) because there is a validity to seeing a gay couple not as social pariahs for being unconventionally gay but as ideal heroes (unconventional both because being gay was at best outside social morality in the post-Classical life but Greek lit was not and because "who tops and who bottoms in this ship" was an also argument in ancient Greece). They're selecting a ship that was selected for them by the very people in ivory towers from a pile of myth.

[(Anonymous)]

My point here is that there are a lot of people out there who give zero fucks about the characters, their story, or the cultural context. They aren't interested in any of that or what it means, whether in historical terms, in literary terms, or in queer culture terms. They're just interested in their OCs, who have the exact same, completely modern, "personalities" and behaviors as every other OC they have, wearing a different outfit when they bang. This is all well and good when it comes to fandom fun, but it's got literally no relation to any form of contextualization of anything. Except possibly random horniness, or difficulty getting their minds around the fact that foreign cultures and their inhabitants from thousands of years ago were a little different than the personal experiences and opinions of 21st century American high school students. I mean this isn't unique to classics fandom, you see it in every fandom where people don't want to bother engaging with the source material because they prefer just to move their OCs from window dressing to window dressing and don't want things like context or characterization to interfere with that. I'm aware that I sound like an angry shrew who hates fun but it's annoying to repeatedly try to engage with people who claim to be fans of shit you're a fan of, but actually either choose to ignore the source material because it interferes with their pronz or doesn't fit their OCs that they've tagged with the characters' names, or who actively hate the source material because it doesn't align with their pronz or their OCs that they've tagged with the characters' names. This has been a constant in almost every damn fandom I've been in and it always seems to be the majority.