[ SECRET POST #5577 + 5578 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5577 + 5578 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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13. https://i.imgur.com/QRpIO4B.png
[OP warned for NSFW image]














Notes:

Early + double because I'll be away for a bit!

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 07 secrets from Secret Submission Post #798.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

All this is true, but I believe what OP is reacting to is the reality of the Achilles/Patroclus ship in modern day fandom, which is shaped as much by Madeline Miller's The Song of Achilles as it is by actual classics. Pre-2010, even the online fandom wasn't like it is today.

[meadowphoenix]

I get that you think this is just blue but it's definitely cerulean. Madeline Miller didn't get popular (just) because she's a compelling writer. She got popular because Achilles/Patroclus is a historical goldmine that connects with people for zero actual character or mythical reasons and a lot because of the cultural and ethical weight the west gives ancient greek culture juxtaposed with ancient acknowledgment of homosexuality and modern rejection (the positions aren't necessarily so disparate now, granted), as shown through this ship. It's not surprising it's being obsessed over now in the way fandom tends to obsess over slash ships, but it's not a good idea to divorce the current reaction from the history of the ship just because it might feel too different to be connected.

[(Anonymous)]

There’s definitely a finger in every pot here, but I don’t think it’s irrational for someone to just… take personal dislike to the particular manifestation of the ship that we see today. I don’t feel that way, but it makes sense to me (a little gatekeeper-ish, but if they hate, they hate it). Miller’s work became popular because of the status of her subject matter, but her work had its own undeniable influence. It’s pretty typical of what can happen when a popular piece of media makes an academic topic more palatable to the masses.

[(Anonymous)]

And also, I’ll be honest, can it with the Devil Wear Prada crap. I can understand your reasoning just fine. It’s a great piece of academic discussion, just not terribly relevant to what the issue in the secret is. You’re not Meryl Streep in a scripted film, this isn’t a Mic Drop(tm) moment. At times you verge on self-parody. I get that you come here to intellectually dunk on people or whatever, but maybe just talk to us?

[meadowphoenix]

And also, I’ll be honest, can it with the Devil Wear Prada crap.
why should I? I liked it when I did it, and I like it now.