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fandomsecrets2022-04-18 05:19 pm
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[ SECRET POST #5582 ]
⌈ Secret Post #5582 ⌋
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Re: Secrets you don't want to make...
(Anonymous) 2022-04-19 12:42 am (UTC)(link)Re: Secrets you don't want to make...
(Anonymous) 2022-04-19 02:40 am (UTC)(link)Re: Secrets you don't want to make...
(Anonymous) 2022-04-19 09:08 am (UTC)(link)I've always seen it in a very neutral way of depicting the world they live in. They live in a world where Nazionalism is very strong due to their historical environment and the main characters are all part of the military structure (which is always right wing) so that iconography is there. OK. But I don't think the story portraits Nazism/Fascism or eugenetics in any positive way BUT MAYBE I'M JUST DUMB IDEK everything I've read on the topics seem so... far fetched.
Re: Secrets you don't want to make...
(Anonymous) 2022-04-19 12:15 pm (UTC)(link)It’s more that the author himself is an Imperial Japan apologist, and
I believe said at one point(but don’t quote me on this) that his problem is with Nazi Germany and the Axis in general was the way they went about things, not their ideology. Which if true, doesn’t say good things about him. And if that’s not actually something he said, the Imperial Japan apologism is still pretty bad.
But some of those views seem to have made it into the series, as well as some of the WW2 aesthetics he’s a fan of. And that’s why AOT is frequently called a pro-fascist or at least not an anti-fascist series. Nazism and fascism have a lot of overlap, but are different, so I don’t quite know if I’d go the full mile and call AOT pro-Nazi. But it does have a lot of Nazi symbology, that doesn’t always seem to be portrayed as negatively as other series that incorporate them like Fullmetal Alchemist.
Re: Secrets you don't want to make...
(Anonymous) 2022-04-19 03:26 pm (UTC)(link)I can't even fault him entirely for saying that because I've lived in Japan for 5 years and let me tell you that the average Japanese person doesn't know shit about what Japan did during war and a lot of young people don't even know what the holocaust is. I'm not kidding. Comfort women? Nanj*n Massacre? Unit 713? What are those?
I had to explain it to a lot of 20 years old back in 2017-2019 so not to long ago. This is not to say that he's 100% excused, but the cultural context here is very VERY different. Japan's historical education is very different from European or American education and that is a fact. Japanese people are for the vast majority very pacifist nowadays, but they really don't get what happened during WWII.
I see that he likes to portrait the fashion and the rituals (the sasageyo pose) from those regimes. But yeah, for me it's done in a neutral way, so a non anti-Fasci way, more than the propositive pro-Nazi/Fascist way.
IDEK tho. I come from an Axis country so that could be why I don't really see the problem here. I'm very anti Fascist, but I'm very used to the iconography and overt apologism that happens here. Probably why I don't notice the pro-Nazi/Fascist nods in AOT.
Re: Secrets you don't want to make...
(Anonymous) 2022-04-20 12:01 am (UTC)(link)