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⌈ Secret Post #818 ⌋

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I'm guessing the reason that women care when men do this is because throughout human history men have oppressed and abused women, often with social approval/encouragement from other men and with no real consequences. Heck, that's still true to some extent. When men write stories about violence toward women in some way, it's very much an expression of a real system of oppression (whether they intend it that way or not), and comes with a sense of "hey, this could really happen" which some women find threatening and off-putting. The reverse just simply isn't true, no matter how you look at it. Nowhere in the world is there a millenia-old history of women perpetrating systemic, institutionalized, and socially acceptable abuse and oppression toward men. So when women write stories in which bad/abusive things happen to men (usually at the hands of other men, I might add) there isn't an entire history of threatening baggage tacked along with it.

I'm a pacifist and absolutely do not condone violence of any kind toward any person of any gender for any reason. In real life men can be the victims of abusive relationships just as women can, and that's not something to make light of. However, I do think that fictional stories that depict abuse (especially if it's sexual), are and should be viewed differently depending on the gender of the author.

I agree on that, but we're not talking just about violence.

I don't think it's so much about violence as it is that there's a depressing history of female characters, even in the most "legitimate" works, as existing only to express male fears and fantasies. Even the most "enlightened" guys I know in the arts say that they find it hard to write female characters who actually exist and matter on their own terms. And how many movies and sitcoms are there already where "lesbian" action exists solely for male viewership?

Oh, I agree. That's all also the result of "throughout human history men have oppressed and abused women, often with social approval/encouragement from other men and with no real consequences." There's still this pervasive undertone that women exist for the pleasure/convenience/entertainment of men. This is exactly why I think the portrayals of men and women characters do need to be treated differently depending on the gender of their creator.

ETA: I just realized this sounded sort of confusing; I was working off the assumption that the OP DIDN'T think this difference should exist.

Edited 2009-04-02 23:34 (UTC)

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