[ SECRET POST #818 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #818 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Homefront]


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[Louis Theroux and Jael Phelps]


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[Code Geass]


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(Family Guy/Seth Macfarlane)


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[Elite Beat Agents]


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(Princess Resurrection)


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 077 secrets from Secret Submission Post #117.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 4 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ], [ 1 - doing it wrong ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: 108, 130, 138, 153

[likespring.livejournal.com]

Well, yeah, there's misogyny in fandom but I rarely see this kind in large chunks in mainstream fanfiction in the same way that you see it with slash.

The two aren't really comparable because sexism doesn't work equally in both directions.

I don't think anyone's trying to make it a battle of the sexes.

In any case, if we were talking about straight WASP men, that'd be completely true. And while it's still not the same, it's a bit different with what we're talking about here. Because while gay men may have male privilege, they also face a lot of gender issues/homophobia, whereas a lot (not all, of course) of the women getting off on objectifying them have straight privilege.

Re: 108, 130, 138, 153

[cobryn-moy.livejournal.com]

I'm not justifying the secret-maker's position in anyway. (Heaven knows, I've bitched long and hard about some slashers' appropriation of LGBTQI causes for a sort of risk-free underdog buzz - c.f. calling people who dislike slash homophobes.)

I think the problem I have with the way your initial post here read is that it implies a criticism of people who do speak up for women's rights for not speaking out for gay men's rights, when really those are two seperate conversations, and I think a lot of the people speak out on both.

Why attack people for objectifying gay men by suggesting that in a completely-impossible scenario which we can never test they'd show their bias by being more outraged? Why bring that into the conversation at all if not to set the two - women's rights and gay men's rights - in competition.

It also caused me to double-take because I can't tell you how many times on comic-book and computer-game boards I've seen guys complain that if had happened to a female character, everyone would be up in arms. Their implication is almost always 'feminists suck because they don't deal with men's issues," as though it's impossible to do both, and as though there weren't countless more egregious sins against female characters with which those engaged in feminism are busy.

Re: 108, 130, 138, 153

[likespring.livejournal.com]

I see where you're coming from re: men hijacking feminist discussions, because that's totally true. That's not what I mean with my comment, but I can see how it can off similarly because of how I phrased it.

I just think it's incredibly entitled of a lot of slash fans to think they can co-opt gay men's sexuality and objectify them any way they want regardless of the reality, where that wouldn't be accepted by them if (a) it was anyone else doing it or (b) anyone else being objectified (excluding straight white men, which is totally different) and then baw about it when people criticize it.