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fandomsecrets2009-04-02 06:08 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2009-04-02 06:08 pm
[ SECRET POST #818 ]
⌈ Secret Post #818 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 077 secrets from Secret Submission Post #117.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 4 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ], [ 1 - doing it wrong ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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On the other hand, I agree with the argument that slash is a depiction of sexual fantasy and objectification shouldn't be considered a major problem. Objectification, like preferences, is in the eye of the reader and writer. The writer might strive to create a well-balanced, realistic relationship with a goal of respecting the characters and what the symbolize... and somewhere a reader is still going to objectify it. Similarly, an author might write 100% smut with no respect for the characters, and a reader might find that respect in there unintentionally. Any one of these people might realize that it's not the same way in real life. They might not. It's very much on an individual basis.
When we fantasize, it's not required to fantasize about realistic situations, or even situations we want to be realistic. The characters and situations in our heads are not men, or women—they're often idealized versions of that, because sexual fantasy is about the person fantasizing. It's about what the viewer wants, with the focus on that rather than anything else and only enough of a nod to reality to keep the viewer in the fantasy. Porn of any type reflects that by focusing on what the viewer/reader wants to be real, rather than what is real. The problem of objectification isn't a problem in sexual fantasy—it's a problem when it extends to the real world, and because of the reader/writer interpretation issue, altering our fantasies to fit some criteria won't work. When you tell someone that their fantasy is inherently wrong/bad/unwelcome/immoral, they close their ears and become defensive, which perpetuates the problem because any real-life objectification is going be ignored. The same thing happens in most other media, which is another form of fantasy in a lot of ways.
BUT (big but!), if something is offensive, anyone has a right to sing out about it. We have as little right to tell people not to be offended by X as they do to tell us not to fantasize about X. There isn't a rating system for minority precedence, and we all have trigger-offenses that might be someone else's fantasy. (I think this is where the problem comes in, because Person A's right to be offended often clashes with Person B's right to enjoy their fantasy. I digress!)
TL;DR We need to be consciously working on that problem, directly through conversation and education. Combating oppression of any type by going after the a straw man of the problem (objectifying people in media/fantasy) rather than the actual problem (objectifying people in reality) solves nothing. But that doesn't mean people can't complain about it.
I'm not sure I just made any sense at all. ._.;