[ SECRET POST #5589 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5589 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I've found there's some people in this comm with some BIG chips on their shoulders about f/f fans. Apparently.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. They're kinda aggressive about the strawmanning.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, and most of us like f/f ourselves, yet no longer engage with the fandom. You might want to question why that is instead of brushing it off as chips on our shoulders and baseless strawmanning.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the comment was not a fair depiction of f/f fandoms in general and as a whole

[(Anonymous)]

Neither do I.

[(Anonymous)]

Me neither.

[(Anonymous)]

If the description does not apply to you, why are you so sensitive about it?

I'm honestly curious.

[(Anonymous)]

This. Them being so defensive about it is definitely suspect.

[(Anonymous)]

“Most of us” Except you don’t really speak for all of us? Especially because that comment ayrt is replying to is not an accurate representation of the majority of f/f fans. And there’s also some really obnoxious m/m fans, so treating them like the always innocent non-instigators is a bit disingenuous. But again, those annoying and toxic m/m fans are nowhere near the majority, same as the toxic f/f fans. There’s not really any nuance to this take, and it’s insinuations.

Also, while m/m and f/f shippers can be considered their own community and fandom both separate from and including media popular with f/f and m/m shippers, it’s a small pocket of vocal people compared to people who just happen to ship m/m and f/f often in media fandoms. The broadness of liking m/m and/or f/f being the only thing tying an entire community together means that it doesn’t draw as many people in as people in those fandoms seem to think compared to media fandoms. But I guess it’s normal for communities to have a kind of inflated sense of how big they or other groups are. In the same way they have an overly exaggerated view of how groups they don’t like always behave, and have an exaggerated sense of how innocent and unassuming they are in every situation in regards to interactions with said group they don’t like. So saying “most of us like f/f ourselves, yet no longer engage with the fandom.” isn’t really true for reasons other you not being in any position to speak for “most of us”. And it’s because the f/f fandom you’re referring to as the one “most f/f fans” stay away from isn’t the entirety of the f/f fandom, nebulous concept that that is, it’s a pocket that doesn’t represent every f/f fan. It’s not the umbrella fandom that represents everyone who likes f/f, and takes into account every fandom that has popular f/f ships. Because such a fandom doesn’t exist, especially in that way.

To give an example of what I mean: It’s kind of like the Magical Girl/Mahou Shoujo fandom. It exists, and draws in people who like magical girls as a whole. But it’s not as big as fandoms for individual magical girl works’ fandoms, and the broad magical girl fandom is more splintered and spread out by site and group compared to the slightly easier to connect individual work fandoms. And the behavior of the broader magical girl fandom doesn’t represent the whole. In that the magical girl fandom on Tumblr for instance frequently being toxic doesn’t represent the fandom for individual works’ fandoms like the Sailor Moon or Madoka Magica fandoms, and it also doesn’t represent the wider magical girl fandoms outside of Tumblr. And there might be smaller pockets on Tumblr that don’t interact much, and they themselves might differ in toxicity. The wider f/f and m/m communities are the same way. You can’t distill something both so big and so spread out into one singular entity that you can judge as completely toxic.

“You might want to question why that is instead of brushing it off as chips on our shoulders and baseless strawmanning.”

There’s nothing to question, because these are all your own personal feelings you’re projecting on everyone else, and you’re being presumptuous about it. That comment ayrt responded to was coming from someone with a chip on their shoulder, and it was the very definition of a strawman. Nobody is brushing anything off, because they’re right to say that about that comment. You might feel that you’re justified in feeling the way you do about this, and you may very well be about certain groups and people within the larger community. But not to the f/f fandom(s) as a whole. And that’s why people are responding this way, because they know that comment was not an accurate representation of the whole. And also that the strawmanning was rather immature and made the claims not very credible.

[(Anonymous)]

Right, it's all the big mean f/f shippers' fault.

[(Anonymous)]

For real.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah yes, "the" f/f fandom. All of it. The monolith.

[(Anonymous)]

This.