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⌈ Secret Post #5596 + 5597 ⌋

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Notes:

Long one because I'll be away for a day again!

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #800.
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

1- Repeating: fandom is all about having headcanons based on your own personal preferences, experiences. Of course you can be annoyed when fandom writes the character in a way you disagree, but this and that are different things.

2- Some asexuals want romance but not sex itself. Wanting closeness but not sex is in fact why many asexuals struggle with sexual identity before coming to terms with it. Thus, saying they can't be asexual because there is "tension" of some kind is silly.

Not a "ugh I am coming for you!!!" reply, just... I myself wouldn't oppose to dating a woman but I would be very disappointing in the sex department due to my disinterest, so that's Truth in Television and I know some people may be having fun self-inserting.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah 1 is a relatively new thing. It used to be that fandom was about the actual characters, and writing about them in ways that made sense for the Canon. Not about empty vessel avatars waiting for people to use for their own headcanons, ignoring all reality of the story they're based in.

[(Anonymous)]

Come on, anon. I have been in this game for as long as you and we all know there's always been a bit of both.

[(Anonymous)]

That I will grant you. However, back in the day that kind of writing was seen as crap, for good reason. Now it's 'the norm'. Siiigh

[(Anonymous)]

Well, agreed on that, this 'norm' sucks. But (firsthand or not) experience is always part of writing - even if well-disguised as, you know, a good story.

[(Anonymous)]

This norm doesn’t actually suck at all though, in general?

[(Anonymous)]

It’s not automatically crap writing, this is such a snobby way of looking at it in a broad sense. Like, if they’re insisting their baseless headcanon is actually canon, and act like an ass to people who don’t agree, then of course these fans suck. But if they’re just having fun with their headcanon and writing fic about it, they’re doing nothing wrong, and someone looking down on them and being rude to them about it is the one in the wrong.

It doesn’t matter if this person is writing their headcanon as an AU, or is writing a fic set in the main canon that happens to diverge based on their headcanon not matching up. If they’re just having fun on their own, they’re not hurting anyone, and you can just not read it. And again, it’s not bad writing just because it’s a headcanon. A story can be great even if it’s set in canon, but it’s not completely canonical. This view that “not completely canon = bad writing” can be so haughty and lead to missing out on some genuinely good ideas, some real hidden gems. If that’s not what you meant, then you can disregard this comment, but that’s how your comment reads to me.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not new. Do you really think normies and non-slash fans in fandom 40 years ago looked at all those women writing Kirk/Spock and went "Ah yes, a reasonable interpretation of the characters. I very much agree that they could be having sex offscreen. Nothing wrong here."

[(Anonymous)]

Laughing so hard at this

[(Anonymous)]

The point you're missing is that it's possible to write Kirk Spock without trashing Canon. The only 'canon' you're referring to here being that Kirk is obviously at least straight. However he never volunteers information on his attraction to men, not unusually for a 1960s show. Of course the inference is that he’s straight but nothing directly contradicts a bi interpretation.

As for Spock, in the Ponn Far episode he has a scene where he cannot deal with Kirk's physical closeness. Again, open to interpretation, but one of those reasonable interpretations is that he was experiencing sexual feelings for Kirk.

Again, the only 'barrier' to either of those being valid interpretations of canon is the homophobia of the time - which you seem to consider valid at least. The same is true for many, many older pairings.

Taking a character and copy pasting everything and anything on, shaving off bits of canon you don't like to make it more palatable is different and newer.

[(Anonymous)]

“Taking a character and copy pasting everything and anything on, shaving off bits of canon you don't like to make it more palatable is different and newer.”

It’s absolutely not newer though.

[(Anonymous)]

I've been in various fandoms since 1994 and this is retconned nonsense.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT So have I and it is very much how it was in the dozen or so fandoms I was in at that time.

[(Anonymous)]

Absolutely. Het fanworks where the female character was a self-insert for the writer and reader and had none of her canon traits, acted like a modern American teenage girl no matter what the canon setting was, and where the male character was more in-character but had a sexy side whether or not that was canon -- those were the basis of all the fics I read in the olden days of fandom. They dominated my many fandoms.

[(Anonymous)]

I always thought of them as 'pod-person fics' because of how the characters had apparently undergone personality transplants, if not pure out-and-out self-insert crap. Add a dash of character-bashing for the character's canonical/actually strongly hinted love interest and that's about 60% of the fics I encountered at one point.

[(Anonymous)]

I've been in various fandoms since the 1980s, and I agree with you. Fic writing fandom has always been about people playing with their imaginary faves in ways that appealed to them. That includes ways that other people don't like or think are OOC. *remembers all the fuss that went on over the mere existence of slash shipping back in the 80s and 90s*