[ SECRET POST #5609 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5609 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Chinese restaurant syndrome was always racist bullshit, or maybe simply xenophobic if we're being charitable.

The worst you can say about MSG is that, while it is better than regular salt, it isn't as healthy as no salt. If you want a truly healthy salt substitute, the best you can get without MSG (which is fine, to be clear) is adding powdered sumac to your food post cooking. And even then that is more a lemony flavor than salt, but it is still not bad.

[philstar22]

MSG can be a migraine trigger, though.

[(Anonymous)]

Literally anything can be a migraine trigger.

[philstar22]

Sure. But MSG is a well-known and common migraine trigger.

[(Anonymous)]

"Well-known" by people who are guessing about what triggered their migraines and not necessarily supported by rigorous scientific testing.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't go too far in the other direction. MSG is one of the hundreds of things that are cited as potential migraine triggers by actual medical professionals. Things that also include bright lights, hormonal fluctuations and barometric pressure. The problem isn't that MSG is a migraine trigger. The problem is that our resident legal expert decided to "well actually" a comparison between MSG and another common migraine trigger in a way that makes her look stupid and kind of racist.

[(Anonymous)]

Nayrt

But I don’t understand the last point?

[(Anonymous)]

From what I've read, there's not really good evidence of that. Some studies haven't found any difference, and like a lot of food-related research, many have quality issues like not being blinded properly (so if you find a difference, it could be people nocebo-effecting themselves).

[(Anonymous)]

That’s not really relevant to what ayrt and OP are saying though. They’re only talking about MSG generally being fine as an ingredient, despite what racist propaganda has said in the past. And that it’s essential to many dishes actually tasting authentic, despite some YouTubers pretending otherwise. They’re not talking about MSG being good for everyone.

As was already said, literally anything can be a migraine trigger, so bringing that up isn’t relevant, no matter how well known it may be for some people as that. That’s like responding to someone talking about the health benefits of peanut butter by saying “Peanuts are a common allergen”. Nobody was saying otherwise, or trying to get literally everyone to eat peanut butter. They were just talking about the health benefits it can have to anyone not allergic. And most of the people allergic to them already know this, so wouldn’t be tempted by this video about health benefits. Similarly, a lot of people that get migraines from MSG already know this, so saying “MSG is good, actually” isn’t going to make them risk getting a migraine when they know it will happen. They’re obviously not included.

I’m sorry, I know I sound really pressed about this, and this might be an inappropriate response tone-wise to your comments. I’m just confused as to why adding the potential for migraines in some people was necessary in regards to the secret or AYRT’s comment.

[philstar22]

I'm sorry. To me the comment I read sound like it was saying MSG was completely harmless and couldn't hurt anyone. And I don't believe that is true. I don't disagree with the OP or the secret. It is just the specific comment that sounded like it was saying MSG couldn't hurt anyone.

And for the record, I'd say the same thing about alcohol, chocolate, cheese, nitrates, and any other common migraine triggers. I have no issues with people using it. It is just that MSG is often used without it being listed as an ingredient. That's what I have an issue with. If it is used, it should be labelled so those who it is a trigger for can avoid.

[(Anonymous)]

That’s actually understandable. I didn’t read it that way, but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t be read that way by others. I should have considered it could be read as potentially harmful, and omitting risks to certain individuals. So I sincerely apologize.

[(Anonymous)]

Can you point to the part of the secret text that says MSG is "completely harmless and couldn't hurt anyone"? I don't see it.

I don't mean to be harsh here, but you've got a track record of "reading" messages in secrets that you attribute to the OP, but when pressed, you end up admitting that oh, OP didn't actually say that, it was just your interpretation based on very little or nothing at all.

[philstar22]

OP didn't say that. But the commenter that I replied to did. "The worst you can say about MSG is that, while it is better than regular salt, it isn't as healthy as no salt." That seems pretty blatant to me. The worst thing you can say about it, nothing else bad at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Salt is a much more common migraine trigger than MSG. Just admit you're wrong and move on. This is just sad.

[(Anonymous)]

You should heed your own advice

[(Anonymous)]

You okay there, buddy?

[(Anonymous)]

And what are they wrong about exactly? This is such a stupid reply.

[(Anonymous)]

Salt isn't great either, though, nor do most restaurants list their sodium content, so it seems like a perfectly fine comparison.

[(Anonymous)]

And? So can caffeine. So can wine. So can nitrates. So can about a million other things.

[philstar22]

Yes. And caffeine and alcohol are usually listed in the ingredients. Nitrates and MSG are often left off even if they are included. The comment I was responding to sounded to me like they were saying MSG was a completely benign ingredient that couldn't hurt anyone. It isn't. Nothing wrong with using it, but it absolutely should be listed if it is included.

[(Anonymous)]

In the ingredients of what? The secret's about home cooking and restaurant dishes. The MSG would be listed in the recipe that the people at home would be following, and I dare you to find me a French restaurant (or Dennys or wtf-ever) menu that lists caffeine content of their entrees.

And frankly, as multiple people have already pointed out to you, multiple ingredients found in multiple cuisines (most of which are not listed on restaurant menus) are migraine triggers. The reason why MSG was targeted then and continues to be highlighted as a dangerous chemical, as opposed to salt or sugar or choline or tannins or tyramine or vinegar is racism.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you. MSG occurs naturally in a whole lot of foods that people eat all the time without even realizing it. The idea that somehow MSG only matters (or supposedly affects people) when it's in Chinese food is pure racism.