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⌈ Secret Post #5660 ⌋

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NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I kind of consider the post-credit scene in Iron Man 3 where it's set up like a therapy session but it's revealed he's just venting to Bruce who reacts comically that he's "not that kind of doctor" to be poking fun of the general idea of talk therapy. And this at the end of a film where Tony's unresolved PTSD was a big plot point and in which he also decided to get surgical intervention to improve his life. Going to therapy though? Nah, that's just silly!

And yes, it's crappy writing choices dictating these events but at the end of the day, they do become part of the fabric of the character.

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

It's another convention that post-credits scenes aren't important to canon and are just gags, and I'd guess the gag was meta poking fun at therapy being an option, not Tony poking fun at therapy. Thing is, almost all the big MCU characters and most superheroes in general are in need of some kind of therapy, and well-off enough to afford it comfortably even if they're not insanely rich. But it's just not and never has been a thing, for the same story-driven reason as Batman not killing enemies or not just giving his money to the villains who are only villains because they need money. (Well, those have been debated here too.) It's not in the fabric of the character, it's in the fabric of the genre.

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

That's an entirely reductive way of thinking. If you blame everything on the *genre*, then there's no point at all in discussing characters and their choices. Everything is down to comics conventions and hell, they do be like that sometimes so we can't even consider character agency from an in-universe perspective. Why bother having a thread like "least favorite character" if people can't complain about all the annoying things that the characters do or, conversely, love on them for their awesomeness? It's all down to the writers!

MCU Tony Stark is a character established to often be the cause of his own problems -- consider the long-running meme that most MCU villains exist because Tony's actions. He's also often portrayed going hella extra trying to solve those problems, when a more mundane and reasonable course of action would be more effective. So a movie that shows him undergoing *major surgery* to deal with a symptom of his issues (feeling like he needs the arc reactor in his chest) instead of pursuing therapy to actually deal with those issues, sets the character up for a particular path that plays out in the subsequent films. And yes, it's like that because they need to set up Infinity War, but that doesn't mean people can't be annoyed with the character.

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

DA

“but that doesn't mean people can't be annoyed with the character.”

Neither AYRT or most people who aren’t assholes like the trollish anon upthread are saying you can’t be annoyed with the character. They’re not saying nobody can dislike him. They just don’t agree with the reasons given here, and that’s just as valid as disliking him for these reasons. They’re saying that using joking post-credits scene, which wasn’t a joke against therapy, as proof that Tony chooses not to actually get therapy is a stretch. So is actually trying to infer that Tony is the cause of most MCU villains. Some, sure, but not most. That meme is just that, a meme, not solid evidence. Tony is the cause of most of his own problems, that is one of his established character flaws. But that doesn’t mean that that in itself proves he refuses therapy. You can be self-sabotaging and cause most of your own problems, and still go to therapy to try to work on that. I just don’t feel like this or any of what’s been said in this thread to that degree is proof that he refuses to get therapy. And AYRT may feel that way too.

I also don’t agree that it’s a reductive view to point out that Tony’s character flaws being fictional tropes that don’t always align with how things work irl is an important part to consider when saying things like one anon did about resenting him because he has money for all the health care he needs and they don’t. And that they assume he’s not using that opportunity, which again, I don’t feel there’s any evidence for. That anon is free to feel that way and is still valid, I just don’t personally agree with that line of thinking with fictional characters. Resentment is different to me, and more real I feel, than dislike for a fictional character. So I personally don’t quite get resenting a character for making character decisions for plot purposes. I absolutely do get hating them for that reason though. I don’t know, I just don’t agree that what AYRT said is reductive at all. They’re not excusing bad writing, just questioning reacting to bad writing in the way someone would to a real person. Media and creators can spread harmful messages by accident through characters and writing, but that’s what I would take umbrage with myself when it comes to reacting. I might still hate the character for it too, just not resent. And I don’t personally think that any of this with Tony is spreading bad messages, including some anti-therapy message through him.

“Why bother having a thread like "least favorite character" if people can't complain about all the annoying things that the characters do or, conversely, love on them for their awesomeness?”

I mean, I definitely agree with this. I get why some people may feel the need to defend a character they like when they feel someone is being too harsh. But I personally would resist that urge, because debate about characters isn’t the point of this thread. I can’t stop anyone from doing so, but I agree that this type of thread is for personal opinions. And I think in general people should be allowed to do so without someone arguing with them about it, especially if the argument boils down to nothing but disagreements. If the person posting about the character they hate is using reasons that are untrue and misinformed, like something that they read in a hate shrine and took as a solid reason to hate the character more than anything in the actual canon or fan reception, I can understand responding with a counterargument then. I still would try not to, but that’s just because I really do feel like people should be able to put even reasons like that if that’s how they feel. The only reason I’m responding to you at all, or anyone else in the thread, is because someone else already started arguing. I don’t think it should have happened, and that the OP should have been able to say their piece without argument. But if it’s already started, why not I guess? Obviously though, I think it’s okay to respond to someone in a hated/loved characters thread if the response is agreements and seconding. That’s different and not contrary to what the thread is for. It’s only “I don’t like the reasons you gave for hating this character” and/or “You shouldn’t have this character that I like” responses that I feel aren’t what the thread is about, and these types of responses should be avoided and resisted.

Sorry for the wall of text, and I totally get it you don’t agree with anything I said. I’m not great with explaining my thoughts. And even if I was, it’s still valid and understandable to not agree. Me disagreeing with you doesn’t mean anything.

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Damn. Seconding every word of this. <3

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Heh, your point of view towards genre tropes is valid.
I am anon who is sort of resentful towards Stark because he has therapy money. That's just emotional view of his character I guess and shouldn't be taken as media criticism.

There are a lot of reasons why I dislike Stark, I mean, troll anon isn't helping for example, but I think therapy reason was the most appropriate at the moment.