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⌈ Secret Post #5661 ⌋

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[SIX, a musical about the wives of Henry VIII]


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[Charlie and the Chocolate Factory]


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[fscom]

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[SIX, a musical about the wives of Henry VIII]

[(Anonymous)]

For the curious… I had to google, but apparently Catherine of Aragon regarded herself as Henry VIII’s only lawful wife and didn’t acknowledge the annulment of their marriage or Anne Boleyn’s status as queen.

[philstar22]

This. She would never have considered herself an ex-wife. That's just sloppy. I mean, I don't exactly expect a musical like this to be accurate. But little things like this do bug me anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, that was kinda the whole point of the Church of England. Poor Catherine.

[philstar22]

Yup. Although Anne ended up getting it worse. Honestly, poor anyone who married that man.

[(Anonymous)]

Anne of Cleves did pretty well. She got several palaces out of him iirc, which, considering how much he liked collecting palaces, was very good going.

[dantesspirit]

Catherine Parr made out pretty well (she was his last wife and survived him.)

Jane Seymour gave him a son and died a few months after, so I guess you could say she got off easy as well.

Anne of Cleves definitely got the best deal though, with her marriage being annulled and her being sent back home.

The others, not so much.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, I thought Anne of Cleves stayed in England. I don't remember if that was to salve any pride from either the Cleves or England side, but I think she was given an English title and property.

[dantesspirit]

Huh, apparently she did, as a stipulation of the estates and income she was given.

I could have sworn she went home.

[(Anonymous)]

I still really love this musical, no matter the flaws! And I feel like her inclusion in the song wasn’t meant to be literal, considering there’s several others who weren’t actually “ex-wives”. It’s just for the flow of the song. It’s fine if you or anyone else thinks that that’s not an excuse, but it works for me. And this is a play where these women are basically ghost pop stars who uses modern lingo, I don’t think “ahistorical” is the best word to use when criticizing it, unless you’re talking about the actual history being incorrect. Which is possible in some cases. But again, since I don’t agree that being part of ‘Ex-Wives’ actually reflects Catherine’s real feelings on her separation to Henry irl or in the musical, I don’t think it’s an example of the musical being ahistorical. Just like Jane being part of the song isn’t her actually saying she’s an ex-wife, because she wasn’t, by virtue of dying while still being married. Neither were Katherine Parr, since she outlived him while they were still married, or Anne Boleyn or Katherine Howard, unless execution is a form of divorce. Which it could be to some lol. Really, the only one that fits the title because she accepted the divorce was Anne of Cleves.

But my view of the term “ex-wife” in the song is that it’s a double meaning or word play. Instead of being just a reference to divorce, it’s more that they’re were all wives, but now they’re not for different reasons. Whether Catherine accepted the new concept of divorce that went against her staunch views on marriage and religion, and whether she considered herself still married to Henry, he didn’t feel the same way. So she’s an ex-wife to him. And Anne Boleyn, Jane Seymour, and Katherine Howard are wives that are now dead, ex-wives by way of being ex-persons to use a Monty Python reference. That’s just my reading of the meaning of the usage of ‘ex-wives’ in the song, though. I guess it can be considered more of a headcanon or theory?

[(Anonymous)]

I also didn't like the bit about corsets. They weren't some torture device women were working in the fields wearing them all day. Ach!

I skip the opening song when I listen to the album but I love some of the individual songs. No Way is awesome.