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[ SECRET POST #5687 ]

⌈ Secret Post #5687 ⌋

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How, exactly, is it an Andromeda retread

The last couple of seasons have been doing the whole The Federation Has Fallen and the People From the Past Have To Fix It schtick. Which is literally the premise of Andromeda.

Uh, It is nothing like Andromeda? I don't love it, but calling it an Andromeda rehash is ridiculous.

a) I don't really see the Andromeda comparison??? They have pretty different vibes to me.

b) Even if it was an Andromeda retread, Andromeda rules so idk that wouldn't be a problem to me lol

I don't get all the Discovery hate. Sure, it's not perfect, but I've still really enjoyed watching it.

Mostly when people hate on Discovery, it turns out they have a problem with all the black and queer people in it.

that's not true, there are plenty of people who dislike Discovery for reasons that have nothing to do with queer or black people being on it

Such as?

Personally, I didn't like how entwined it was with classic Trek in the first two seasons rather than moving forward, but they've totally solved that now, so I've enjoyed S3 and S4 very much. I also didn't like the one Muslim actor being the double agent/infiltrator for another culture because that is a really nasty racist trope I didn't expect to see on Star Trek.

not really - I actually liked Michael, but I fucking hated the Kligon's storyline through the first series. I just about slugged my way through the first series and been procrastinating watching the second (ALSO - I did not appreciated that Charlie-Brown-football-Kick into believing the trailer saying that Michael was going to be the captain, only for that to actually last 5 minutes before being sent to jail when the first few episodes did come out.)

Oh, man, right there with you re: the Klingon story line. I've never been so bored in my *life*.

I thought we would be getting a cool, new Star Trek with Michael as a slightly too excitable second in command and smart, capable Captain Philippa Georgiou helping her to grow and become a better officer while doing, you know, Star Trek stuff.

Instead, the Captain is killed in the second ep, and in the third ep, we get a new Captain, that Lorca, who was fucking insufferable. I was just about done at that point, but then the Klingon blah blah and the worst gay couple in history, practically, and....meh. I never went back after season one.

The Klingon stuff was so boring. Granted, I only watched season one and part of two but the Klingon stuff was the worst part for me. I was just so uninterested in any of it.

I wished Discovery could have been more like it's opening scene, where Michael and her captain are stranded on that one planet and the captain gets them out. That was the vibe that I was looking forward to. But that part was a lie :/

I'd guess a lot of them are uncomfortable with a black woman in the lead, but they don't want to admit that so they find other 'reasons'.

Because, while it does take a different artistic direction from others in the franchise, and is therefore not going to be everybody's cup of tea, the level of vitriol is, indeed, excessive.

I hated the main character. She is a blood thirsty person in the army. I found unfortunate similarities to real world wars with klingons being dehumanized "barbarians". Old Trek was kinder. She's also Mary Sue so that it's worth it to gloss over her mistakes because she's that good.

Star trek is about people as a race being better, trying to be better, striving for piece and moral laws. And don't tell me that they have no choice but to blow their enemies up. It's a fictional setting and the plot is up to the creative team.

"Star trek is about people as a race being better, trying to be better, striving for piece and moral laws. "

That's... that's what the entirety of Season 1 is about. The whole of the Season 1 arc is establishing why people need to do that even when things are dangerous and desperate.

That's, that's the POINT of Season 1, can you base your complaint on something that has some basis in reality, please?

I'm right and you know it.
Season 1 doesn't show good people doing good things, doesn't show what humanity culd be and should be. I'm all ears if you can give any examples in the first episodes.

oh my god we get it you hate discovery give it a rest already

Don't lump together fs and your own self into 'we'. Don't like a secret? Skip. It's that easy.

The funniest defense for hating Discovery is that it can't possibly be because of bad storylines or boring characters - its because of hating POC.
Like DS9 isn't right there being better and more interesting than Discovery ever will be.

but you have to understand that the poc in ds9 are MALE and the one in discovery is FEMALE and if you don't understand the hate that black women in particular get, you just aren't paying attention.

right and black female characters deserve good story lines and not a pity 'oh look there she is being there! Woo! Great job just existing so we can tick that off the diversity list. You don't need any craft in the story or character building because we can just say that the haters are being racist if they criticize anything.'

Indeed.
Trek always had racial and cultural diversity. So to say that Discovery is hated because of that is so cringe to me. TOS had the first interaccial kiss on TV.

Wow, have you missed a lot of chatter about the outrageousness of Star Trek becoming 'woke'. It's idiots who say that, but they're definitely loud.

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Having watched both... I don't see it.

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