[ SECRET POST #5714 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5714 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of fandom spaces have historically been, and to a large extent are still, dominated by Americans. Especially English-speaking fandom spaces, given that America is by far the country with the most English speakers. So I just fundamentally disagree with the idea that it's presumptuous and arrogant for Americans to take an American background for granted in their fandom spaces. Americans being American and talking about American stuff is not an insult to the rest of the world.

[(Anonymous)]

There are a whole load of British fandoms where this is really not true, but the attitude the OP is talking about is regularly on display.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, this. It's been this way since the early internet, and always bloody annoying to people from the rest of the world.

[(Anonymous)]

Nothing wrong with Americans bringing an American perspective, but also nothing wrong with keeping in mind that not everyone shares it. I see this a lot with issues related to medical info and legal info, where something actually is regionally specific, as well as people lacking knowledge of one another’s countries’ histories. Of course people will generally know their own countries best and want to talk about their own perspectives, but taking a minute to understand the context someone is coming from can really help with avoiding pointless arguments.

[(Anonymous)]

And if all they did was 'talk about American stuff', no-one would have a problem with it.

But that's not what OP is talking about, and it's not what a lot of non-Americans in fandom experience. Americans in fandom don't talk about American stuff, they impose it on every space they occupy, and insults or flat-out vilifies anyone who doesn't share their exact values, morals, belief systems, and country-specific experiences.

[(Anonymous)]

Hooboy this. I remember how Americans on FS reacted when someone pointed out that to Europeans, apple pie is just apple pie and that, although aware of the significance of that dessert to Americans, it didn't replace their own cultural significance of it. Yeah that got a bad reaction. I've never thought less of Americans than while reading that thread. All of the Yanks on here like to pose as worldly and different to the stereotype, while simultaneously being unaware of how they embody that stereotype.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL, wow, that's crazy.

Meanwhile, here I am, born and raised in the States, and I've never had apple pie nor do I really make a big deal out of it (and I don't really know anyone else who does - they may eat it, but they don't treat it as anything more than a yummy dessert). I wonder what those people would've said about that.

[(Anonymous)]

So you agree that it's not a big deal if people from one culture aren't constantly aware of, and don't think in terms of, norms and cultural signifiers from other cultures?

[(Anonymous)]

Yes I do agree. What I don't agree with is aggressively tearing someone down for that very reason, which is what I'm describing.

[(Anonymous)]

If it's unreasonable for Americans to get mad that non-Americans are unaware of American cultural norms, it's also unreasonable for non-Americans to get mad at Americans for being unaware of non-American cultural norms

which is what this entire thread is about. literally. it is about non-Americans being furious that Americans are sometimes ignorant of, or simply do not think consciously about, norms in places outside of America.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it really isn't what the thread is about, and you are being disingenuous/obtuse for reasons it is easy to guess. It's about Americans loudly, repeatedly and often aggressively insisting that their experience=normative at all time and in all places and anyone suggesting otherwise is lying/wrong/stupid

[(Anonymous)]

If a comment about apple pie upset a bunch of Americans, it wasn't because of the subject. Apple pie isn't culturally significant to us. "American as apple pie" is just a snappy figure of speech. It doesn't mean anything. People got mad because someone saw a stupid little thing like apple pie being talked about as "Mummy, the mean Americans are shoving their shitty country down my throat again!" and got overly rude and salty about it first.

[(Anonymous)]

Absolutely fuckin' this.

[(Anonymous)]

yup

i've run into a couple of discussions where i've had to remember that "the abortion debate" in america is not the same thing as "the abortion debate" in the uk because it hasn't been a driving force in uk politics for the last x years

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not American and I velify countries and people that don't hold the same moral values as me. I don't impose them on anyone as we usually occupy different Internet corners. Someone who does fandom has similar enough values to my own as they should have access to the same media, Internet and leasure time as I.
I stir away from some countries in MMOs due to a handfull of bad experiences. Not sure if those people do fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

India, surely?

[(Anonymous)]

India is behind the US, and also beyond Nigeria if you include creoles and pidgins. Those are numbers from 2011 (when India did their last census) so it's possible that they're higher now, but the gap between them and the US is fairly large.

While India is massive, only 10-15% of the country actually speaks English. And obviously, that's including people who speak it as a secondary language; for people speaking English as a first language, the US is miles ahead of anyone else.

[(Anonymous)]

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I had the same thought, but subthread OP is right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population#List