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fandomsecrets2022-09-08 06:46 pm
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[ SECRET POST #5725 ]
⌈ Secret Post #5725 ⌋
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(Anonymous) 2022-09-09 03:17 am (UTC)(link)YAY! Discussion!
So I'll definitely have to watch the show (I've only seen clips, read wikis, and garnered knowledge off of fic lol , but I am aware of the general plotline, and my personal favorites' back stories and what not).
So I started T&B for the relationship people have mentioned here. I'm not a fan of mecha, which is part of the show to a degree, but I do my best to overlook it. So far it's kind of cute (I'm only four episodes in, so I'm still getting to know the characters). I like Tiger's arc of being a washed up hero so far, trying to find his place (it's an easy thing for young people to fight they'll be old one day too) amongst the youth and share his wisdom (he ain't even that old, honestly). Bunny is an arrogant little upstart lol. But he hasn't annoyed me yet. Tiger can get annoying if I'm not in the mood for him.
As for the central concept, I remember being somewhat confused (not in the I don't get what's happening -- although the first few minutes were spent piecing that together), but mostly /why/. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that much like MHA, there is still a police system, with the superheroes doing the heavy lifting to "bring the villains to justice". Okay fine. Similar "mutations = find something to do with these OP people", but thinking about it now (and I mean right now!), it seems like this T&B is almost an AU proto MHA -- like this was what people were dealing with when mutations started appearing and didn't make up the majority of the population. The heroes kind of become reality tv gladiators. Profiting off of them is a given (consumerist society, el capitalismo), and honestly, looking at the way we have influencers (not even influencers! Regular folks!) now and how much of life is a performance for the cameras, in a way it almost makes sense that part of their livelihoods are made into this popularity reality show in order to pay bills. When I first started watching it, I was getting such Truman Show vibes, I wasn't entirely sure if the villains were manufactured fir the purpose of making money (garnering views, selling merch of the popular heroes, etc.). And I think that's what makes it weird. Is that we get these views from the top/behind the scenes whole following the protagonists.
From what I've seen about MHA, the hero commission sounds very secretive, controlling the strings, and we as viewers don't get insight unless the characters tell us or there's a scene involving the president (vs. we're in the rooms with the middlemen in T&B.). It certainly does feel far more fleshed out than T&B, and it does feel like T&B was quick and dirty on the world building. Kind of throwing you in there and expecting you to just suspend and disbelief (and questions -- just go with it). I think that's my big issue with it. I don't mind piecing the world together myself, but it feels sloppy. I've seen shows that didn't outright explain everything about the world but you're still able to pick things up. Again, it just feels sloppy. Ugh. Maybe it's also a feeling of uncanniness. At least for me. The world of MHA feels a bit more familiar (be it because of other shows and what not and I've heard it's also just a really good manga), while T&B feels like a cheap version of "the capitalist future with genetic mutations".
Sorry to have gone on and if I don't make any sense. What do you think? Am I reading too much into it? Is there something more?
Also, I really like your questions -- I think people endorse the system because the mutations are still a minority, and the general public either sees them as novelties and entertainment or threats. So it's either aim for a career with an agency and land a prime spot on the top show, or be a villain ( like that little kid thought he would be). The scripted aspect gives it an air of theater, like this is just like a TV show! It's not even real! Vs MHA the commentary of on the fights that play more like "Live from channel 5, I'm at the scene" -- it's treated as news, not a show -- heroes are treated as pillars of society instead of action stars. So I guess a fundamental difference in how the agencies in control want to have the public under control. And maybe it just falls back onto laziness on the writing -- rushed. It's late and I'm thinking way too hard about a show I've only seen 4 episodes of and one that I know through second hand knowledge lmao
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(Anonymous) 2022-09-09 05:34 am (UTC)(link)Yay for discussion!
Will try not to spoil you for T&B - but will be referencing things we learn about the world in later episodes (thpugh none being plot spoilers). Just a heads up!
Re: the police system in T&B, we find out a bit later that heroes are specifically not allowed to investigate crimes, only respond to them in progress (though there is little detail on how this works). We also find out that the TV show was instrumental in making the public see super powered people as heroes rather than villains/freaks. So your assumptions really fit in with that! I basically am of the same opinion - the cheap and dirty world building just doesn't ring true for me, which makes it hard to really invest. A clear example is the points system itself - it incentivises the heroes to sabotage each other which is super impractical. Plus cheapens what they're doing - '100 points to Barnaby for capturing this vicious murderer!' It's just a weird way to set up this capitalist world if it's not intended to be a dystopia.
As for MHA, from what I remember there's a few plot lines with the characters cooperating with the police as necessary. And I like that there's a clear logic there - heroes deal with villainous quirk users, but cooperate with other law enforcement agencies as needed (or other agencies reach out to heroes as needed). And, like you said, what they do is news, not entertainment like it is in T&B.
The hero ranking is a bit silly at face value, but there's a logic to that as well. Since we're told there have been generations of quirk users in a world where most people have a quirk, you can imagine heroes becoming like celebrity idols. And following from that the agencies in MHA seem like competing publicity agencies (in an organic way).
Whereas in T&B, the sponsors don't make as much sense - in narrative, the popularity of each hero relies on their point score, but in real life their popularity would rely on a bunch of other things - like personality, public appearances, performance over time etc. Like it seems to in MHA.
We do find out about a sort of UA like academy for quirk users in T&B, and that other cities have other heroes, and that the Sternbild TV show vets new heroes in various ways to join the show. But none of it really fits together in a way that makes you think 'it makes sense that the world functions like this'.
But yes I obviously have a lot of thoughts on this as well! I just want my silly superhero anime to be believable god damn it.
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(Anonymous) 2022-09-09 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)As you implied yourselves its characters are older, so it's meant for an adult audience. And adults often partake in the world's decisions instead of just falling victim to them or rather try to partake, even if very few adults actually pull the strings. In seinen/josei it's usual to have the characters sitting in the room with the president, it's meant to represent the adult POV after all ; while in shounen/shoujo you will have (often disasterous) mysterious things happening and kids rising from below and saving the world. It is meant to be less "realistic" compared to the adult everyday life, so of course a series like BNHA is going to be more complex on its own (ie. world-building) while the premise of a series like T&B is like, being comedic and relatable at most.
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(Anonymous) 2022-09-10 12:56 am (UTC)(link)I think that's fair. Thanks for adding your thoughts! I really need to finish it -- maybe then I'll have a change of mind -- but I'll keep what you're saying about it I'm mind.