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...I think you just don't like her.

All your complaints seem like you're nitpicking to cover up that you just didn't like her personally. Making non-meat proteins is a time honored vegetarian tradition so this isn't really anything odd. And two of the four focal points were women of color so to say it was 'so white' seems pretty disingenuous (Portland is not as ethnically diverse as LA. It just isn't) And really? You're going to nitpick on how you didn't like her facial expressions when she was talking about her childhood? That's low.

I completely agree with this comment (and I think vegan pork belly sounds potentially yum).

"Making non-meat proteins is a time honored vegetarian tradition so this isn't really anything odd."

Yeah, but they don't try to pass it off as fake meat, they're just... vegetarian dishes. Seriously, why call it "vegan pork belly"? It's not pork belly, it's some other kind of protein instead and there's nothing wrong with that! Things like tofu and mushrooms and beans are delicious, you don't need to give them cutesy fake names. Just call them what they actually are.

It's because some vegan dishes/ingredients are in fact trying to mimic the flavor and texture of animal products, people go vegan for ethical reasons and may be looking for a cruelty free way to enjoy these meals too. Also, "vegan pork belly" is a way easier way to tell what something is supposed to be cooked as or taste like than elaborate made up names.

You think calling a tofu dish something like "spicy braised tofu" is more elaborate and made up than calling it pork? How strange.

There are other options than soy based protein for meat and animal products substitutes. Mushrooms are also a greatly used base ingredient for things like vegan mince, meatballs, and so on. You sound needlessly hostile about this topic so I won't be wasting my time with you further.

But that's the whole point, why do you need to make them substitutes for animal products? Black bean burgers are delicious. Portobello mushroom burgers are delicious. They don't need to be "substitutes" for anything because they taste great all on their own exactly as they are.

Some people like it that way. Those people are not you, and that's okay.

Fuckin' gatekeeping the proteins people cook with...

I've never had pork belly. I have no clue what it tastes like.

Tofu, however, I have had, and I know that it's tasty. I wouldn't eat something called "vegan pork belly" but you better believe I'd be eating it if it were called "braised fried tofu."

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Also 'pork belly' sounds kind of gross. Randomly sticking 'vegan' in front of it doesn't make it sound less gross.

Pork belly is fucking delicious and this is how I know you don't know your ass from your elbow.

Considering we're talking about vegan food right now, how do you think this is helpful or even a reasonable opinion to have? Do you think there are a lot of people who don't eat any kind of animal products who are slavering to eat something's belly? Or do you think you have to be some kind of expert on the flavors of various types of dead animal flesh in order to have an opinion about food made for people who will never eat meat?

Seriously, tell me more about how carnivores are the only people who should have opinions about vegan food, wise one.

Do you assume all vegans are like you and have never eaten or enjoyed meat in their lives and therefore couldn't possibly understand the appeal of meat substitute products? Because THAT'S the actual issue here, your persistent befuddlement over this marketing choice even though it's, like, not that hard to extrapolate a teensy bit outside of your obviously limited experience and understand why something like this exists.

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If you're the kind of person who decides foods are gross based on the name and not by actually trying it, I'm not even sure what you're doing in this thread, LOL.

"You can't eat vegan food if you don't want to actually try meat." You are very smart.

I like both pork belly and tofu, but honestly, I'm a bit put off by dishes that try to use non-meat products to mimic meat. IMO the end result is rarely quite what they're aiming for anyway. I like braised fried tofu just fine, no need to try and pretend it's meat.

Exactly. But it wouldn't be as effective of a marketing gimmick if she just called it braised fried tofu. Look at the nonny who doesn't even know what vegan pork belly is made of and still thinks it "sounds potentially yum".

Go take it up with Beyond Meat. Obviously there's a point to not calling things what they are, otherwise this company would be worth hundreds of millions of dollars. If the net effect is less meat consumption and more options for us, fantastic! Who cares how they choose to do it? Why does everyone have to do it like you?

I don't like her. I sympathize that she had a tough time in school because of racism. (I am also a POC who grew up in a predominantly white area and faced bullying from racists.) That's why I find it a little distasteful that her success is based on modifying her own culture's food so it's more palatable for the white western culture that gave her such a difficult time about it when she was a child.

"Making non-meat proteins is a time honored vegetarian tradition so this isn't really anything odd."

It's not odd, but that doesn't mean it's not occasionally eyeroll inducing. Taking something as fatty and meaty as pork belly and making a vegan version strikes me as a cheap gimmick (along with the weird implications about westernization of Vietnamese food), because pork belly is trendy and of course people love the idea that you can have a vegan version. Substituting the real thing with tofu and some kind of gelatinous flour paste is ridiculous - and I say this as someone who loves tofu and regularly eats vegetarian food. It's delicious and creative in its own right, it doesn't have to try and mimic meat.

I'm Vietnamese and I don't think making vegan pork belly is modifying our culture to be more palatable to white people. It's pretty weird for you to say that so authoritatively. The Vietnamese diaspora in the west has developed their own culture that in many ways diverts from traditions but instead takes inspiration from their second home. Many aspects of that diaspora culture then make their way back into Vietnam and become popular with people who never the country. The traditional way still exists, but when young people grow up abroad and try to bring their experience into their experiments, don't just tell them, "You're just trying to be white!" to invalidate them.

Also, I'll let you in on a little something: making food to mimic another food is 100% authentic Viet culture. Super trad even. "Giả cầy" is a traditional northern dish that uses pork to mimic the taste of dog meat. The name translates to "fake dog meat" and making it taste good is an artistry all on its own. Why has this dish existed for so long if pork is "delicious and creative in its own right" and mainstream Vietnamese culture supports the eating of dogs? Could it be that there are people with ethical objections who still want to enjoy the taste of those dishes? Kind of like... vegans who eat fake meat?

I never really thought of veganism as a white thing....

On the contrary, considering how a lot of cultures with, for example, high numbers of Buddhists also have a high number of vegetarians (and also vegans).

Eating a plant-based diet is not a white thing. The Veganism Movement is extremely white and upper middle class. Much like respecting non-human animals is not associated with any specific race, but your average PETA member is whiter than mayonnaise on wonderbread.

You sound racist and infantilizing of Asian people.

Also you say you have nothing against vegans but it's pretty fucking clear you want them In Their Place.

So being POC gives you the right to gatekeep Asian culture? Weird.

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