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⌈ Secret Post #5753 ⌋

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Re: It sucks that organized religion is so awful and corrupt

[meadowphoenix]

The subjunctives in your sentences are doing a lot of work, and really moving the goalposts of the actual conversation. OP started this by saying 19th and 20th societies should come back because they did a lot of good, so the "well they could be good" is irrelevant here. The reality is that they weren't unless they were explicitly about democratizing society. Why don't you just give an example of an 19th and 20th c. US club that wasn't in opposition to more oppressive clubs and wasn't a power feeder but that was different than hobby clubs today? And while you're at it:

IMO secret societies can take on many different roles. I don't think they have to be formed for the purpose of exclusion
what's the sociological mechanism that allows for a non-exclusionary secret society? I'm genuinely do not see how this is possible, but that could be the limit of my imagination.

i do want to address this though.
it's not why they were able to be influential.
this is straight up ahistorical. straight up. you're really really dismissing the fear that the KKK invoked, and which they could only do because you didn't know who they were or who was on their side or how much of the institutions they had captured. it's very dismissive and it really feels like you have read 0 stories of how black people in the high KKK or similar areas navigated this time period.

we're just not in a vacuum. we're in pond scum. you have to think of the actual probabilistic reasons people form groups, and create associated rituals in this current context. I simply don't think it's a useful framework to suggest the possible is equally significant to the likely when the likely is actual harm.