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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2022-10-28 07:28 pm

[ SECRET POST #5775 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5775 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[The Murderbot Chronicles]


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[Witchfinder General]


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[The Mermaid Princess's Guilty Meal]


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15. [WARNING for discussion of rape(-revenge films? this is here just in case)]































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(Anonymous) 2022-10-29 07:33 am (UTC)(link)
God, I've written out two huge responses to this and deleted them both, then rewritten them.

2 things on this topic (which has been debated to death for literally decades):

1. Male slash fans (who are mostly but not all straight, white, cis women) like to ship men not only because they are attracted to men, but also because for many a male romantic avatar makes engaging with the fantasy easier. One of the reasons behind this is that women aren't taught to compare their physical attractiveness (and thus their self worth) against men, only other women. So thought some women like mainstream romance instead, which often has an idealized heroine they can pretend to be, others don't like to be made to feel inadequate in comparison to a female lead in their romantic fantasies. I suspect many in this camp are drawn towards m/m writing.

2. There are exceptions to this rule - a character like Hermione is very popular across many ships, and is popular with fans who otherwise primarily write slash. And I think that actually is an example that supports your point - Hermione is a well-rounded character who has distinct relationships with various name characters who is also very relatable to young, nerdy (white) women. So of course, Hermione, as both a relatable to fans + well-rounded + well romantically positioned character, is very popular. Very few female characters reach that trifecta of factors, so don't get a following.

Note: many people, including some in this thread, really don't like number 1. I didn't like it myself when I was younger, because I saw it used derogatively, saying slash fans were insecure/ self-hating/ had internalised sexism and that's why they couldn't stand to read a romantic story about another woman.

But this conveniently ignores that most straight men don't like romances with incredibly attractive male leads (hence, and I say this even though I have a thing for him, Seth Rogen's career). It also ignores the fact that slash fandom is women having agency and writing what they want in romance/erotica. Sometimes women want Pride and Prejudice. Sometimes they want 50 Shades. And sometimes they want two or more dudes fucking each other's self lubricating bussy's in the town square A/B/O style. And that's okay. It's all gravy baby.