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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2022-11-11 05:06 pm

[ SECRET POST #5789 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5789 ⌋

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[Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart]


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[Extraordinary Attorney Woo]


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(Anonymous) 2022-11-12 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
That said, I do reserve the right to complain about the thing in Japanese media where a woman who wears men’s clothing learns the Valuable Lesson that she’ll never be a man and she should start acting feminine.

That's... not what happened with Naoto, though. Like, that's completely missing the entire point of her story. The only reason she was trying to pretend to be a man was that she was afraid that she wouldn't be taken seriously in her chosen field as a woman, it didn't have anything to do with how she personally wanted to present herself. The entire point was that it was fucked up that she felt she had to pretend to be a man if she wanted to be a detective and her choosing to be more feminine was her finally embracing who she was, which was a detective AND a woman.

(Anonymous) 2022-11-12 04:32 am (UTC)(link)
Ok, but why is it that it always turns out that the way the girl wants to present herself is actually feminine? There's nothing wrong with being feminine, but when every story about a girl who dresses/acts non-feminine (whether it's flat out pretending to be a boy or just dressing/acting more butch than "normal") ends with her changing to embrace femininity, it stops looking like a "Be true to yourself" moral and more like a "Girls should be feminine" one, and fanservice for the male audience these stories are often for.

(Anonymous) 2022-11-12 05:21 am (UTC)(link)
... I mean, if the girl actually wanted to present as masculine then there wouldn't be a story? She would be being true to herself and would be comfortable with herself the way she was. The whole point of that kind of story is that the main character is being compelled to do something they don't really want to do and can't be themselves. If they wanted to do it in the first place, then the story would fall apart.

(Anonymous) 2022-11-12 05:23 am (UTC)(link)
Do they, though?

For instance, Naoto keeps wearing the same clothes.
Haruhi starts dressing up girly-ish due to peer pressure.
Sometimes, oftentimes, they "want to present as feminine" for fanservice reasons. Other times, more rarely but unfortunately it does have corrective "it's just what she truly wanted!!" vibes.
But about the same amount of times they just... keep presenting as tomboyish really. Maybe we are not thinking of the same characters but I am thinking of Rin Hoshizora, Samus Aran (a case of "will wear whatever the job requires" which got fanservicey later on), Yuu Kashima, Kino. They never "embrace femininity" even if they are "non-feminine" in different ways.