[ SECRET POST #5819 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5819 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

Why is this a thing that people are still judgmental about in 2022???

[(Anonymous)]

Societal homophobia is a big part of it, including among people who like to call themselves progressive. Another part of it is the usual shipwar and character stanning bullshit. The controlling asshole wankers know that if they dress up their arguments in social justice terminology or concern troll about RL social issues, they are far more likely to get other fans to listen to them and take them seriously.

[(Anonymous)]

That's about how it seems to me, too.

It's gotten socially unacceptable to give women grief just for imagining men fucking, and writing stories where a major plot point is men fucking, but the people - mostly men - who are scandalized that anyone "normal" (anyone who is not gay and male themselves) finds that hot have not gone anywhere. The underlying issue is that people who have always been disgusted by gays feel like women are stealing and perverting their media with slash. They will twist any language they can twist to try to prevent that from happening, or make people feel bad for doing it. And it's completely dishonest. But they've really tried to turn the argument that filmed porn is degrading women into an argument that written erotica is degrading to gay men. When the main people who find it alarming and upsetting that anyone is imagining their faves taking it up the ass are straight men.

[(Anonymous)]

(DA above, if that wasn't obvious.)

[(Anonymous)]

“Because it’s bad activism to only ship m/m, m/f, or f/f. You can’t just ship what turns you on or you’re being a bad person blah blah blah”

Something like that is a reason I’ve seen given, but it’s obviously just a load of crap.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this is the kind of weird reason I see. It's people who conflate media consumption (or in this case, creation) for activism instead of understanding that people have personal preferences.

[(Anonymous)]

This. As an ace bisexual (probably pan since I'm not interested in the bits anyway but bisexual is usually just easier to explain offline), I generally read/ship M/M because... I don't want to be involved in the sex part! It's not activism it's just I wanna read porn while being removed from it lol.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Because only shipping m/m makes you and evil, evil gay men fetishizing finishing and that's just about THE WORST according to a certain group of keyboard warriors.

[(Anonymous)]

It's the natural consequence of corporations trying to convince people that consumerism is activism. ("I wear THESE brand of jeans because they're GMO/Green/whatever because that's important to me!") People have bought it (lol) and it's getting into everything.

If you don't consume (or create) things, including free fanfic, with the same PR as a megacorp, you're not a good person! /s

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Your argument surprised me, but I think you're right about this.

[(Anonymous)]

DDA I agree. I think this is another component in addition to the ones mentioned already in this subthread.

[(Anonymous)]

Interesting!

Though I will say that I don't think corporations created consumerism as activism, they just coopted it. I believe activists were arguing for boycotts of unethical companies before corporations went "ethical choice"

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

There's a fundamental difference between the two. Boycotting is literally NOT consuming.

Boycotting is basically blocking. When you're selling stuff, it hurts. But when you're doing free fanworks, who cares? Block away.

Consumer activism is designed to get people to consume MORE stuff by telling the consumers that if they're not horrible people, they ONLY buy stuff that fits a certain criteria. And what do you know, the stuff we're selling fits that criteria! They then bring that criteria into all parts of their lives and transitively using it to find Bad People.

And we're used to doing that. That's why kids get bullied for not wearing the "in" brand. But now people are bringing it into fandom, an inherently anti-consumer place. It's all for free. But now we get people harassing authors for ONLY writing M/M, or D/s, or enemies to lovers. You're not matching the criteria, so I'm going to yell at you for not being a Good Content Creator. You must be a Bad Person. Don't you know that Good People TM create things that match the Good Criteria?

They're not just blocking or hitting the back button anymore, which is a fundamentally boycotting activity. They're being active in their consumer activism, which is a horrible change because regardless of what corporations say consumerism is inherently NOT activism.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I found myself nodding to most of this, but I would point out that, as a fanfiction writer, backbuttoning does not strike me as analogous to boycotting or blocking at all. What I needed out of my story, I got by writing it. I want people to feel free to read or not read, for any reason. As much or as little as they feel like.

[(Anonymous)]

Yup.

Also, I read that as "Rule of Horny Chums" at first, which also seems about right to me.

[(Anonymous)]

the ideal political system

[(Anonymous)]

Me too. I thought, yeah, chums who get horny is how m/m fic generally works...

[(Anonymous)]

I love this. I’m sorry if my filthy fanfic isn’t in someway making society more inclusive it’s just sometimes all I want is hot (to me) dudes banging.

[(Anonymous)]

Is Ariana Grande an F!S user? That would explain your use of “personally, I can’t say why”.

lol

[(Anonymous)]

whoops, misfire

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Making room for yourself to do something that makes you happy and makes other people happy, for free, is super relevant to making society feel like something I want to be a part of. Ironically enough. Your filthy slashfic wins.

[(Anonymous)]

For real. I am so, so grateful for all the people in fandom who shrug off the criticism and make their heart's desire anyway. Courage calls to courage, and the determination of other women is what got me writing in the first place.