[ SECRET POST #5825 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5825 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

You can say no to sex with anyone you don't want to have sex with based on any criteria you like. You can refuse redheads, baseball fans, Geminis, people who have never been to London, left-handed people, or Freemasons, it doesn't matter because you're never obligated to consent to anyone. OK, so you're not attracted to trans men. Fine. You're not attracted to every cis man you meet either, are you? Just say no thank you.

What makes it transphobic and bigoted is the way you're expressing your feelings about this particular category of men in such a gross way. If you talked like this about how icky fat guys make you feel, I sure as hell would call you fatphobic. You can just not be interested without telling the whole internet that you're disgusted by the thought.

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[(Anonymous)]

ayrt That's right, I'm not attracted to every cis man. Hell no! And yes, I am allowed to turn down anyone for any reason at all. If I don't want to have sex with a trans man, pre-op or post-op, because they used to be female or still partially are, those are valid reasons whether you like them or not. There are people out there that don't want people that used to be another gender. That is a reality you may not like, but it's there. I am attracted to cis men. You can't call me phobic because I am literally not afraid of trans folx. There are trans people out there screaming DISCRIMINATION! in dating, that people won't date them, but I'm sorry, everybody does that in the dating world no matter who they are. They discriminate about who they're attracted to and who they want to be with. Trans people have a difficult life burden, for sure, but you can't force people to be attracted to/date you either. It reminds me of male incels' arguments.

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ayrt

You are allowed to turn down anyone for any reason at all. That's exactly what I said.

If a trans guy asks you out, you can just say no thank you politely and go on with your life. You are not obligated to date or have sex with anyone you're not attracted to, regardless of gender or genitals. You can also say no to someone because they're the wrong political party or they're a picky eater or they don't like dogs.

But this unhinged rant is doing nothing to convince me you're not a bigot, because the very theoretical idea of a trans guy as a potential theoretical partner is giving you this bizarrely intense emotional meltdown. Do you really think there are that many trans men out there who are desperately into you? Have you ever even met a trans man, much less been pressured by one?

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[(Anonymous)]

If I turn down a trans man once, and they keep bugging me as to WHY I turned them down, I eventually would tell them politely.
No clue as to why you think I'm having a meltdown. I literally am not. Sitting here quietly playing online Bingo and also laughing at a comedy special while defending my views. I have no problem with trans people, I just am not attracted to them and there are people out there that insist cis folks should date trans people but if not, then it's suddenly phobia and discrimination and anti-trans. I also think they should have their own spaces and not try to enter cis men/cis women's groups because their pasts/life experiences aren't quite the same. Trans people need to feel comfortable and relate, therefore create their own groups with other trans people.

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[(Anonymous)]

You're acting horrified by the very idea of a trans man being someone you might get "tricked" into having sex with, and from the language you're using, I don't think this is a situation you've ever been in. It's pretty much copy & pasted scare rhetoric from the same kind of people who think sharing a public toilet (with locked stall doors) with a trans person is dangerous somehow.

I have no problem with trans people

ok

Trans people need to feel comfortable and relate, therefore create their own groups with other trans people.

I just don't want to co-exist with them.

Sounds like a problem with trans people to me.

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[(Anonymous)]

I would never get tricked into having sex with a trans man because NOBODY can coerce or manipulate me into having sex with them, not even a cis man.
For the record, I have no problem sharing bathrooms with trans women or working alongside them or even talking to them, despite what you think. I went to high school with a trans female acquaintance. She finally got her operation, moved to Florida, got married. I was happy for her.
You sadly think I hate trans people because I want to be in, say, a all-cis female feminism salon group talking about our experiences because we are all cis females that can relate.

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[(Anonymous)]

Okay then all of your anti-trans-dating rambling here IS purely hypothetical? You've never actually BEEN in a situation where an actual trans person has been upset with you for saying no to a date?

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[(Anonymous)]

Comparing trans people to male incels is not only a completely incorrect comparison not based in reality, but it’s very telling of what an ignorant bigot you actually are. Incels are obviously completely different from trans people, and are almost always transphobic too. Unlike TERFs who claim to be feminists but still cozy up to right-wing fascists just because they share the same hatred of trans people, trans people and incels have no such relationship. Trans people hate incels because incels are far right/alt right bigots who hate the idea of consent or equality, and are okay with violence against people they don’t like. You really showed how much you don’t know what you’re talking about with that comparison.

Nobody thinks you should be forced to sleep with someone you don’t want to, and you’re responding to someone who said as much like you didn’t even bother to read or comprehend what they said. Trans people, don’t want to sleep with you either, because transphobes are gross.

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[(Anonymous)]

't reminds me of male incels' arguments.'

Yes! That's what all that cotton ceiling crap reminds me of.

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[(Anonymous)]

The cotton ceiling crap was invented by people like you, jfc

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[(Anonymous)]

So your argument is: it's okay to not be attracted to fat men, but if someone asks why and I say I'm not attracted to fat people, then it's totally wrong for ME? Because YOU said it's wrong for ME to say and to think?

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[(Anonymous)]

That’s not their argument at all, you’re being willfully obtuse. They’re saying it’s fine to have any kind of preferences you want when it comes to people you want to date or not, and that includes it being fine to not want fat people. But while it’s fine to not want fat people, it is still fatphobic to not want them purely because they’re fat. It would be ableist to not want to date anyone who is autistic, but it’s still your right to have that preference, and nobody is trying to or should take that away from you. That’s what they’re saying.

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[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT and it would also be fatphobic to go on huge rants about how gross and bad and unattractive and delusional fat people are