[ SECRET POST #5845 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5845 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Star Renegades]



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02. [SPOILERS for Rings of Power]




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03. [WARNING for mention of rape]




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04. [WARNING for discussion of pedophilia]




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05. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia]




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06. [WARNING for discussion of incest]

























Notes:

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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Okay so Thessaly used to be my problematic fave but it's also been years since I read The Sandman and... SHE WAS A TERF?

I must have completely blocked that out of my mind because yikes on bikes

[(Anonymous)]

Iirc she uses feminine womyn witch moon magic in a way that is explicitly trans exclusionary and says something nasty about it.

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair to you, she was written long before "TERF" as a phrase or well-known political movement existed, and you probably read it before you knew about TERFs either. There's lots of unexamined transphobia in older works that most people didn't notice unless they were trans or knew someone who was.

[(Anonymous)]

Not exactly.

The story goes out of its way to use the mother/maiden/crone trio with her, Foxglove and the other one, necessitating three to go with that recurring theme in evidence.

In using moon-based magic, with the obvious period connection, which obviously Wanda can't have, she gets left behind to guard Barbie.

She is a bit shitty about it, but it's pretty heavily implied in context that it's because it wouldn't work for Wanda, even if her explanation is blunt.

[(Anonymous)]

That story has multiple ways to define woman-hood tbh, which is one of the reasons I found it interesting (if bleak.) Thessaly is very trans-exclusionary; Wanda seems to worry that not losing the penis makes things not count; the Cuckoo's explanation of boy-fantasies and girl-fantasies puts Wanda as a girl... and Death has her own opinion.

[(Anonymous)]

It's very clear in context that this is how Thessaly defines womanhood in terms of her own magic, not for all magic. The story itself has many other scenarios with Wanda as a woman, which implies that Thessaly may be right about her own, very limited, viewpoint as regards herself, but is definitely not correct that Wanda is not a woman.