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⌈ Secret Post #5853 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

And in both cases they're full of ye quainte olde English racism.

[(Anonymous)]

Midsomer Murders was famously racist, sure, but GBBO wasn't really. At least not until the last few years when it's gotten unwatchable in general.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, that's the last few years I'm talking about. Though Paul Hollywood has always been dubious and cranky about non-white people using any kind of flavouring he's not comfortable with. Every time I use cardamom I think of him!

[(Anonymous)]

I think calling Midsomer Murders "famously racist" is an exaggeration. Its original executive producer had some pretty racist views on the predominantly white casting (even for guest characters and extras) but the show itself didn't glorify the KKK or anything.

I'd agree that the descriptor doesn't fit GBBO's early years. Not going to vouch for that dodgy af Mexican week, though.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh fuck off and quit reaching.

[(Anonymous)]

Midsomer Murders basically only had white characters for its 14 seasons, specifically because the executive producer thought that it was the "last bastion of Englishness" on TV. Like, this is pretty well substantiated. It was a big news story.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT and not trying to start shit, but is it possible to have a racist led casting without the product itself being racist? I haven't ever watched the show so I don't know what the characters are like.

[(Anonymous)]

I think if a show consciously does not cast any non-white actors, it's reasonable to say that the show is an example of racism

I don't think anyone is saying that the actual filmed episodes are racist

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it's a shame but both have gone quite a way downhill.

I think it's particularly difficult to keep the quality level high when so much of the appeal of a show lies in the atmosphere and the aesthetic and the overall feeling, because that stuff is often the result of a combination of different factors that can't be replicated when one thing changes.

(It's also really interesting to me that the principal director for the BBC run of GBBO, Andy Devonshire, left at the time of the channel switch and then went over to be the principal director of Taskmaster, which I think has exceptionally good direction in its own right (IMO reality TV is in general an art form where the production, direction and editing is probably more important than the on-screen talent which is just fascinating to me as a whole))

[(Anonymous)]

My mum shares the sentiment, anon.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm genuinely surprised its still going.

Also at the rate of deaths that happens there, how is there anyone still living there?

[(Anonymous)]

Have you seen the price of real estate these days?

[(Anonymous)]

Always out of towners looking for that quaint English village life, only to get murdered in increasingly ridiculous ways!

[(Anonymous)]

Arrogant Londoners moving to and being dicks then getting murdered in rural England is definitely something I would watch.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that's true of most long-running shows. I would say none of them have that same type of energy in later seasons even if they are able to maintain same the level of energy of the first seasons. A significant portion of that energy is down to character dynamics, which can change as the characters develop, but definitely changes when new characters are introduced.