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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2023-01-15 04:11 pm

[ SECRET POST #5854 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5854 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2023-01-16 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
This is exactly what leads to things dying out and disappearing forever, too. I've been watching it happen with a traditional handicraft from a particular culture where they're extremely rigid about who is allowed to learn and practice it.

There are literally 5 artisans left in the entire country. If they don't loosen their restrictions on who is allowed to learn and practice this art, it's going to die out completely within the next 20-30 years and then the tradition will be gone.

(Anonymous) 2023-01-16 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
In the case of the secret image, to put it with your comparison, it's like saying the artisans should be forced to share it against their will, and the end result will be an art form that isn't what they carefully passed on at all. Grabbing something that isn't yours in the name of "preserving it" is what fills the museums of colonists, not what actually preserves cultures.

(Anonymous) 2023-01-16 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
da but if I understand ayrt right, that's not the same case at all. if it's...only men from certain families can learn this art, and you say why not women? it's not colonising to suggest that women be allowed to learn it. or men from another family. people interested in preserving what could be lost aren't here to perform fusions or modernize or try something different, they want to preserve.

sure, things can start out from a place of care and resepect and then spiral out of control, but that's a risk that always gets taken. if indigenous cultures are specifically asking people to stop writing about wendigos, that's one thing, but not every facet of every culture that would make a great story to be told and retold is going to be the sae.

(Anonymous) 2023-01-16 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
The secret image and a lot of the arguments in the comments are specifically about the one that the cultures are specifically asking about, so it's a bit hyperbolic to argue every single instance where that isn't the case. I used the word colonizing to describe THAT situation, not every other. Your example obviously wouldn't be colonizing, no, but this story being stolen and washed over again and again absolutely is.

As for your last sentence, "not every facet of every culture that would make a great story to be told and retold is going to be the same"--the whole point of the request is that its stories not be told, not to or by outsiders, and especially not without the cultural context that outsiders actively refuse to seek out before they take and take.

(Anonymous) 2023-01-16 07:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Late comment, but sea silk?