[ SECRET POST #5859 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5859 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Children of Silentown]



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[Arknights]



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06. [SPOILERS for Gundam: The Witch From Mercury]




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07. [SPOILERS for Steven Universe]




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08. [WARNING for discussion of pedophilia/underage]




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09. [WARNING for discussion of domestic violence]
































Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #838.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Mmm, the Boy Wonder vs. the Child Soldier dichotomy. Is Batman's child sidekick going out to fight crime a wish fulfilment story or seriously dodgy?

That said, noting a parallel character type isn't out of line. Interrogating our fiction can teach us things about our assumptions. And, you know, be fun.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Citing a frame of discourse that is intentionally blind is actually the farthest thing from forming your own perspective. Let alone an educational and/or entertaining endeavour.
I mean, even as a point you're using one of the most popular pearl clutching dynamics to go off on, circa. all the way back to the famous 1954 dispute even. To be even more redundant, be it "seduction of the innocent" or 'bad dad bruce', only those who don't know the context are the ones who get caught up in the bullshit.

Basically, I agree with you. We should form our own, unbiased, narrative regardless of the content. Parallels and relatives are, honestly not the best, but good enough to figure out where and why you feel a certain way about a character/fiction/rl for sure.
It's just that in order to make those links you need to know what the hell you're talking about. Something OP specifically stated they do not. Or whatever.

[(Anonymous)]

... it feels like you copy-pasted something from a 70s textbook, to be honest.

Parallels and relatives are interesting. *Why* is the superhero sidekick a wish fulfilment fantasy? A desire for adventure? To feel like a grown-up? To evade the laws and have that be 'the right thing to do' in the narrative, same as for an adult superhero fantasy? Zipping around in brightly coloured spandex? The, 'I'm bullied in school but actually I'm secretly really cool' thrill?

Given that yes, fantasies in fiction are a safe place to explore human desire, it's still interesting to look at what those desires *are*. How do they tick? How do we feel about them when the context shifts? How do they interact with real world stresses? It's, you know, interesting.

I'm still trying to work out why you saw fit to dump a load of condescension in there. Were you deliberately trying to shut down a conversation, or was that an attempt to look educated?

[(Anonymous)]

Subthread OP here and while I agree with you, a secret going "Kero is selfish" is not a nuanced take attempting to open a discussion on why human beings find wish fulfillment in certain story elements. It's also perfectly well and good to understand that there are reasons for types of fiction existing, but that doesn't mean we have to think about that fact when we're trying to enjoy something as it's intended to be enjoyed.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

And to think you almost made that sound like an insult. Luckily, I know a complement where I see one. Both a 20-year markup, AND the advantage of information over influence. If I didn't know any better, I'd swear it must be my birthday.

I really should have considered marking that last bit as TL;RD rather than 'basically', I guess. I doubt it would have made a difference, but sometimes, them's the brakes. Oh well.

TL;DR: I agree. Fantasy and fiction can be the most substantially honest, entertaining, and more than that, the most rewarding, avenue of discovery available to any one person.
Distinction is the most significant aspect of this, I find. Which is why both OP and your use of Batman and Robin falls so particularly flat.

OP, (just to pretend anything either of us said has to do with the actual secret) either has the widest and loosest form of recognition possible, or their brain recalled both existed at a similar time and struggled through decade old dub memories to make a connection.
You, on the other hand, have quoted the exact same vague as hell fixtures most people have heard a thousand times over again. It's not that people shouldn't ask these questions, but more to the point that they have been asked and answered at length already. In particular: the actual canon.
I mean, you're calling me out on trying to shut down a conversation, but you seem to value unsolicited theology lessons and digging yourself into hypocrisy even more than that.