[ SECRET POST #5885 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5885 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

No m/m writer is saying they're the superior feminist to m/f and f/f enjoyers. We're saying we have no obligation to do the work to fix the source's misogyny. We generally say more power to fans who do want to do that work! As long as they don't call us misogynists for not wanting to. Which they do, and THAT's the issue, not the fact that they write about women. Lol.

[(Anonymous)]

No. The point is there's no shortage of fantastic female characters nowadays but you guys will still blame your disinterest on "misogynistic writing" rather than just own the fact that you'll always prefer m/m regardless. The women will never be good enough

[(Anonymous)]

Or, or, like OP said, they just don't want to be in a position where they're dealing with imagining themselves in the scenario, which isn't misogynistic...

I read every spectrum, but my scale of ace is only triggered by me being in a real life position where I might be intimate with someone else. Fiction (especially written fiction) doesn't bother me so I read m/f, f/f, m/m, harem, whatever.

That doesn't mean everyone else HAS to.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

One, I just want to point out that the secret really isn't about this. You've sort of brought all of this into the conversation. The whole point of the secret is that people can be interested primarily in m/m just because that's what they're interested in. And the secret is right. People don't have to be interested in f/f shipping. It's not a requirement.

Second - and I say this as someone who's primarily an f/f shipper - it is still way harder to find interesting female characters than it is to find interesting male characters. And it's still way harder to find shippy f/f media than it is to find m/m media. It's still just fundamentally the case that the casts of most media are biased towards having way more male characters than female characters, and female characters are still extremely prone to having storylines centered around male characters. It's wayyyyyy better than it used to be. But it's still very much a thing. Again, it's not really relevant to whether people should ship f/f pairings - they should ship them if they like them, not for any other reason. But I don't think you're quite right in what you're saying.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you! I am so tired of 'you all just hate women' argument. For someone it can be true but it's not for everyone.
I ship all sort of pairings, even though I avoid smut with my sort of genitalia as OP does. And it's difficult to find f/f dynamics I like. (If anyone has recs with 'rivals/enemies to allies' dynamic, please give me!)

[(Anonymous)]

You've probably heard it before, but I have to plug the Locked Tomb book series for f/f enemies-to-more.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
Thanks! I've heard about them, but I don't think I've ever checked them actually

[(Anonymous)]

I can't recommend this wholeheartedly because of the awful way it ends, but Killing Eve more or less has this if you are able to ignore the ending and live in fix-it fic world.

Black Sails has rivals/enemies to allies and back again, for a couple of f/f pairings (mostly Max/Eleanor and Max/Anne Bonny) (Mind the warnings, this is a pretty violent drama with a fair amount of rape/SA)

Seconding Locked Tomb, which has this for multiple f/f pairings in addition to the obvious juggernaut.

[(Anonymous)]

Smutfic and shipping aren't activism yo