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⌈ Secret Post #5898 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Good movies with messages you don't like

[meadowphoenix]

the problem is always going to be that it's simply not what happens on screen that involves interpretation, it's what it looks like. sure the narrators holds hands with a girl...in front of what is basically a fireworks display. that reads triumphant in a very real way, and your audience who is already prone to valorization of certain types of characters, isn't going to necessarily feel that's an irony. part of movie creation is understanding your audience.

also fincher sorta admires assholes and imo that comes through his work.

Re: Good movies with messages you don't like

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah but those people - people who ignore the specific details of what is happening in the ending, who don't notice the irony, who get drawn into the spectacle, who fall back on their default habit of valorizing certain types of characters - someone who does those things is absolutely doing a bad job of analyzing the movie and is wrong about the movie.

If the argument is that it's irresponsible to have a movie do that because general audiences are incapable of grasping things that operate on that level, I mean, I guess you can make that argument. I'd certainly like to think that audiences are capable of engaging with works in that way. Maybe they aren't.

But either way, I still stand by saying that the movie doesn't really leave any room for reasonable doubt about what it's saying. It doesn't leave anything unclear. And people who take away the message that Tyler is right or good are just wrong about the movie - the movie provides no excuse for them coming away with that interpretation. They should do a better job of analyzing the movie, because it's really not ambiguous.

Re: Good movies with messages you don't like

[meadowphoenix]

I feel like I rec this a lot, but I simply disagree that that is all on the audience, especially since, as a director, it's clear Fincher just likes being in assholes' heads.

I don't fully agree with either Maggie take, but both her and Broey Deschanel get to what I'm saying about a director muddling what should be clear meaning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjLOFLE4JRw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xberkcLfqmw