[ SECRET POST #5908 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5908 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Tombstone - Kurt Russell and Val Kilmer]



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[The Other Boleyn Girl]



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[Mass Effect]



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08. [SPOILERS for Iron Widow]




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09. [WARNING for inevitable JKR wank]




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10. [WARNING for discussion of antisemitism]




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11. [WARNING for possible discussion of sexual abuse]


































Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #845.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Woobiefication can be a form of fetishization if it's always the bottom that's the woobie and they're always made more short / more slender / more feminine in general / totally helpless and on and on. Which happens a loooot in m/m lol

Whether it's "dehumanizing" to totally ignore a characters canon personality and shoehorn them into your preferred personal kink dynamics is arguable, but when authors follow the same heteronormative formula in all their gay ships, forcing it when necessary, it's certainly worth a side-eye and an eye roll

"so and so is such a bottom XDDddddddd my pretty gay boi" maximum cringe

[(Anonymous)]

"so and so is such a bottom XDDddddddd my pretty gay boi" maximum cringe strawman

[(Anonymous)]

Oh my sweet summer child you have clearly not seen the fandoms I have seen

Take a brisk walk through any big animanga fandom

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

If it's just a thing someone is doing to characters they just like to make the bottom extra weepy and what not for some kind of emotional or sexual kink then whatever honestly, not my thing but you do you and all that. But applying the same 'woobie' standards to real gay men? Yeah that I consider fetishizing along with being incredibly innapropriate and fucking weird and unfortuantly I have seen m/m fans do this, not most I'd say, but certainly more than I'd like and it's never anything less than extremely uncomfortable.

[(Anonymous)]

+1 it's definitely something that drifts over into real life more times than it should.

[(Anonymous)]

Woobiefication is annoying but harmless, imo, and I get you didn't imply it is but I'll already say it isn't fetishization. Most of making the ship "heteronormative" seems to come from relating to/self-inserting through the character they decide are the bottom anyway.

Also, yeah, that quote is very strawman-ish, animanga fandom in the 2012's? maybe, but fandom in general in 2020 and forward? nope, especially not in fandoms like Mass Effect.

[(Anonymous)]

Tell me you haven't been in BL comment sections without telling me you haven't been in BL comment sections

Also the post was not about Mass Effect, it was addressing a comment about something else

[(Anonymous)]

Tell me you haven't been in BL comment sections without telling me that. Tell me you don't even like BL and get all your knowledge about it through memes about how bad it is without telling me that.

[(Anonymous)]

I just replied to another comment in this thread that up until recently all my OTPs were het, and woobification was still really, really obvious when it kicked in.

There was an author in my previous fandom who had such an obvious kink for making the guy half of the m/f ship just a, idk, tear-firehose it was kind of funny, alongside a kind of weird ott helplessness that if he'd displayed in canon he would have died young.

And the canon character wasn't at all a stoic manly man, but this was something else.