[ SECRET POST #876 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #876 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 21 pages, 518 secrets from Secret Submission Post #126.
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Comments

[relmneiko.livejournal.com]

You have to realize that the Bible was written for an earlier time, and through the eyes of the men of that time as they write about God. You can't just take things said completely out of context and expect them to fit modern times. Especially if you're reading Old Testament, yeah, Leviticus was a nutbar and Job was a diiiiiick (no, men of Sodom! Don't rape my sons, for it is a sin! Take my daughters instead!)

The base idea of Christianity does state that humans have free will - God, being all knowing, knows what people will choose, but that doesn't diminish their choosing.

You can really read a lot of it in different ways depending on the angle you take. I mean, hell, look at Christians vs. Jews. (if you want to get really crazy, check out Gnosticism).

[shishiomaru.livejournal.com]

Job was a diiiiick You mean Lot? Not to nitpick but it was a pair of angels, not his sons, that Lot was defending from the mob. Which, if you think about it, makes it even worse. The angels could defend themselves. His daughters, not so much.

Also, don't forget about Abraham, who was more than willing to sacrifice his only child as proof of the faith God already knew he had. The same kid, by the way, that God sent to him as a REWARD for his faith.

The Old Testament is full of morally questionable actions like that, which, to me at least, makes accepting God as a benevolent being much more difficult.

[bleed-peroxide.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I never did understand why he did that--"oh no, my sons can't do that! But my daughters are perfectly okay, you can rape them." Ummm... what? O_o

But the thing is, by that logic, wouldn't it logical to conclude that if God determines your fate, and then lets you "choose" to do something, that ultimately there really is no free will? I probably sound like a babbling idiot, but the two ideas--to me--are contradictory. It's always drilled in one's head that God knows everything, and that he decided everything you would do from the moment you were conceived. So to say one chooses their destiny doesn't add up to me, since that would imply that God wasn't the one who decided your fate and working in your life. This always leads me to the question of heaven or hell: if God decides your destiny, doesn't that mean he decides, by writing down one's destiny, where one goes in the afterlife? If it's free will, then he's not all-knowing since he would have to ask you if you accepted Jesus as your lord and savior. The question becomes one huge uroboros that never really resolves itself.

I think that I need to look into things more, but not from my church. I've been there for six years and have stayed, hoping to find answers to no avail.

[icthyopook.livejournal.com]

if God decides your destiny, doesn't that mean he decides, by writing down one's destiny, where one goes in the afterlife?

My friend, you have just hit the nail on the head.

Many Christians today believe in the ridiculous notion of 'pre-destination'. God picked me especially to go to Heaven! It only reinforces the notion that all you need to do to get into heaven, is accept Christ as your savior! Many people take these two things together in a dangerous, misleading cocktail and believe: "I was born a child of God, meant to accept Christ, and he has saved a special place for me in heaven since my creation!"

It all has to do with taking the Bible absolutely literally again. And once again it gives a lot of people the idea that they don't have to strive to be better people; God will take them just because they speak his name.

Personally I believe that God is always there, for everyone, and he knows the mistakes we will make... he knows everything. But he doesn't choose things for us to be so, and his knowledge is a kind of knowledge we cannot comprehend. I also believe that sometimes God does step into people's lives to steer them in the right direction, but those times are not when people ask for a new car or "Please God, help me win this game!" I actually think God steps in, in ways we DO NOT ask him too. That job you really wanted, that you didn't get? Maybe it wasn't good for you, and God pulled a few strings to prevent you from getting it. Sometimes the things we want most are not the best things for us. I am struggling with this notion at this moment.

Anyway. Yes, interpret things your own way. Your faith is not for the Church to decide.