[ SECRET POST #876 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #876 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 21 pages, 518 secrets from Secret Submission Post #126.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 4 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: OP here.

[thene]

There's two key differences; firstly that f/f sex or m/m sex isn't any more or less gross than m/f sex, and secondly that a smoker can quit smoking, but Ellen and Portia can't quit being attracted to other women. Either they have a loving, sexual relationship with each other, or they don't have one at all. If you think telling someone they ought to never have loving relationships isn't hateful...well, how would you deal with being on the other end of that one? If someone was telling you that their religion said that you shouldn't ever have a relationship with anyone because of your orientation?

And nope, I didn't think you were a god hates fags sort of Christian. But here's the thing: you don't have to be a god hates fags sort of Christian to be a homophobe, or to be in favour of denying legal rights to lesbian and gay couples. There's a spectrum of hate and you are on it. You're not the worst, but you're buying into a philosophy of discrimination. If you've thought about the consequences that your beliefs have for Ellen and Portia and you're still comfortable in them, fine, but if you look at it from their point of view, there's no way that saying it was sinful for Ellen and Portia to fall in love and get married is anything but hateful towards them.

Re: OP here.

[(Anonymous)]

which obviously smoking and homosexuality aren't the same thing but that's the best way i have to explain it.

that wasn't my explination of why it is wrong or whatever. i was trying to explain my view and how i do not dislike the person just the sin.

Re: OP here.

[thene]

I'm aware. I was explaining why I think it's a flawed reason for disliking something. It's clear you want to keep believing that some people are allowed to love and some people aren't, and no one can stop you, but if you also want to be able to justify it to people who don't share that belief, you're going to have to come up with a better way than that, because 'disliking the sin' doesn't work. It's a logic fail. It's patently discriminatory, because you're not judging heterosexual sex in the same way, and sex is just sex whoever's doing it.

The rhetoric of 'love the sinner, hate the sin' is one that only works to justify that 'dislike' from within, basically - no one outside your group is ever going to be convinced by it. It's something someone came up with to justify an opinion they'd already decided on. And us outside that group have heard it a few times before, and we've unravelled its lack of logic, and we're tired of it. It needs more thought, more prayer, and more love, to come up with a way past that. If you don't want to be bothered, if you want to stick with 'disliking the sin', then fine, but as you can see that justification for discrimination isn't working any more.