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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2023-04-21 10:57 am

[ SECRET POST #5950 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5950 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2023-04-22 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, the ex French President says it's a coup when speaking to "Zelensky" aka pranksters. He was there in 2014. So by saying 'not in any way a coup' you're proving that you didn't watch the Dore piece where they show the, you know, ex President hinmself. It takes a flat earther to deny a video evidence. My point proven 100%.

I do not see how Zelensky is not a dictator as he was 'elected' by the politicians orchestrating the coup and not by the people. I'm not that into politics but this is, sorry to repeat myself, are the well known facts.

Let my peoplpe gooo. Poor bastards unlucky to be born with dicks under Zelenski very democratic rule.

(Anonymous) 2023-04-22 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
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It's Saturday night so I'm tipsy, sorry for spag.

(Anonymous) 2023-04-23 02:59 pm (UTC)(link)
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I'm so late for this thread, but still, a few things:

The pranksters (Vovan and Lexus, Russians suspected to be pro-Kremlin) were posing as Petro Poroshenko, not Zelensky. Poroshenko was the President of Ukraine from 2014-2019, Zelensky has been the president only from 2019 onwards. Both were elected by democratic election. The coup/revolution(/whatever you call it in English), however messy, was fuelled by the people and their true discontentment with corruption, unhealthily pro-Russian government and president Janutskovyts. Actually, the whole thing was something the secret poster apparently thinks the Russian people should do too.

It's true that Ukranian men cannot leave the country. I also think it's not wise to view Zelensky as some kind of perfect, flawless hero. That's only going to cause disappointments in the long run. But considering that Ukraine is fighting practically alone for its very existence against much larger aggressor, can you blame them? They need every single man. Personally, as someone whose country has once been in very similar situation as Ukraine, I understand why they would take such extreme measures during wartime. But if Zelensky holds on to this amount of power after the war and the martial law are over, then I give you, he's a dictator or at least on his way to become one.

And if we go back to the prankster case, I suggest that when you come across these kind of claims, especially in the corners of YouTube or social media, you look up other sources as well. Here's one: https://www.euronews.com/2023/04/11/russian-pranksters-posing-as-ukraines-ex-leader-call-former-french-president-francois-holl (tl;dr: Hollande doesn't deny what happened, but the meaning of his words was distorted (likely for Russian propaganda, imo))

Kremlin is very big on cyberwar and propaganda, and these pranksters and other Russian trolls are part of it. Putin wants you to think that "West" is behind everything, that "West" orchestrated a coup in Ukraine and that "West" is the "real" aggressor, so he can justify the attack on Ukraine. This is the narrative he wants to spread, not only for Russians but for everywhere else too. And these YouTube conspiracists, who swallow anything just for the sake of juicy conspiracy, are his useful idiots. I hope everyone keeps that in mind.

(Anonymous) 2023-04-23 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Consider this. Ukrainian men were alive before Zelenski and now they are dead. Or not dead yet but can't leave the country. Russian men also dead. US weapon goes pew-pew. What about Merkel that was mentioned in the same Dore show video? She admited that Ukraine-Russian peice pact was fake and just a means of war preparation. There was a third politician that admited it but I forgot his name.

I followed yopu link. So Hollande admits he really said all that and that none of his voice lines were faked. Nice. I mean what more do you need? He said 'coup'. He said weapons went to Ukraine ready to be used. Idk what is this Euronews site but they're supporting everything I said despite the manipulative terms and rethoric.

Propaganda goes both ways. Any and all propaganda is bad.