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⌈ Secret Post #5992 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Dunno. Omegaverse?
I find the whole genre of hanahaki appalling

[(Anonymous)]

Guess I'd not consider those a genre. They are a trope.

[(Anonymous)]

Omegaverse is a genre imo

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT I think it's a genre.
Trope is a theme in plot, omegaverse, high-school AU etc are a whole genre in fanfiction

SA

[(Anonymous)]

Trope=there was only one bed, enemies to lovers.IMHO

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but consider, you may be wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure. But you maybe too.

Also it's obvious what OP is talking about even if you prefer calling this things tropes.

[(Anonymous)]

not genres. a genre is horror, sci-fi, historical, etc. hence everyone asking wtf they mean by a genre being a squick when we're all used to tropes being potential squicks. horror I can see but if someone is squicked by historical dramas I'm gonna laugh

[(Anonymous)]

hanahaki is the truest definition of squick to me. Just *shudder* when I even think of it. Y'all keep on writing it, but that's a hard no from me.

[(Anonymous)]

NA - With nothing but sincere curiosity, can I ask why?

I've never actually read a hanahaki fic that I found particularly well-written--in fact, I think I've only ever read barely-decent ones, tbh. But the concept has some appeal for me. Like, it makes zero sense on any practical, rational, biological level, but as a form of extremely limited magical realism, I find it pleasantly weird and iddy.

I've seen a number of people express revulsion for hanahaki fics over the last couple of years and I've always been kind of curious what it is about it that people are repulsed by. With some AUs, such as ABO or Sentinel/Guide or D/s AUs, the things that some people find squicky about them are immediately obvious to me, but with hanahaki I don't find it obvious, so that's why I'm asking.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

For me it's mostly a vomit/gore association - things exploding from your body without your control. The whole idea is very unsettling to me. I've never actually read any fic because the mere idea unsettles me.

Also it really trips my trypophobia even though that makes zero logical sense. I think it's because with trypophobia for me it's partially things coming in or going out of holes, so there's that connection in my brain.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

Anon from below and yes, it 100000% is associated with trypophobia in my mind as well

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

oh that makes me feel better. It felt like such a random association but it is 100% there.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - I'd never heard of trypophobia before. I definitely don't have it myself, but I can see how something like hanahaki would feel connected to that for you.

I also kind of love scenes where characters bleed or throw up. For me there's just something so visceral and vivid about it, and it really amps up my empathetic link to the character.

There's such a bitterly ironic prettiness to hanahaki, the way I usually see it described, that personally I barely even associate it with gore at all (which I guess is the main reason why I couldn't identify the potential squickiness that some people see in it), but I have at least a moderate tolerance for gore and I love a high degree of bodily viscerality in my fiction. So yeah, I can totally see how the trope would be very off-putting for someone who is already squicked by elements like vomiting and trypophobia.

I find this all really interesting! Thank you for explaining!

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

I absolutely adore conversations like this. Love learning about different perspectives and what makes people tick and why.

[(Anonymous)]

DA but feel similarly - the idea of someone having foreign organic matter and plants and flowers growing and blooming and spreading all through their heart and lungs and body cavities is incredibly repulsive and disgusting on an instinctual level. It's straight up body horror.

[(Anonymous)]

God even reading your description squicks me out. *shudder* Well done.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the OP who asked for an explanation, and what's so interesting about this to me is that I have a MASSIVE body horror squick; certain types of body horror fuck me up like nothing else. But the flip side of that is, stuff that my brain registers as "body horror adjacent" or "body horror lite" is often my favorite stuff--I guess because it's close enough to body horror that I still feel very sensitive to it and gripped by it, but without that "I'm going to panic and throw up and have nightmares" feeling.

For me hanahaki pings as body-horror adjacent, but obviously that's incredibly subjective, and now that people ITT have very kindly explained it, I can one hundred percent see why hanahaki is full-blown, heavy-duty body horror for others. I mean, I have stuff that pings as intense body horror for me that other people don't even blink at, so ofc there are other body horror things that I don't blink at that are big huge squicks for other people.

Thank you for explaining!

another anon

[(Anonymous)]

1) gore part. Especially since I have a long history of cancer in my family. It is REALLY close to invasiveness of it.
2) consent issues. Knowing that someone will die if you don't return their feelings isn't romantic for me. It's a big fucking yikes. I don't really like soulmate AU's either but they are not life-death over romantic feelings situation.
3) this romantic notion that love is suffering. I find it awful and not appealing

Re: another anon

[(Anonymous)]

Especially since I have a long history of cancer in my family. It is REALLY close to invasiveness of it.

Fuck, yeah, that association would have me noping right the hell out too. Sorry, anon.

Knowing that someone will die if you don't return their feelings isn't romantic for me.

This is my least favorite part of the trope, honestly. The consent aspect doesn't squick me that much because I've typically seen it played as that the other character secretly returned their feelings all along. But obviously the broader implications for society at large are pretty horrifying. Plus, I do feel there's something flimsy and unsatisfying about taking a character right to death's door only to reveal that "Everything's fine actually, it's been reciprocal all along, they said 'I love you' and now the MC is fixed, yay."

3) this romantic notion that love is suffering. I find it awful and not appealing

Totally fair!

Personally if I can't have a gallon of angsty pining before my RST, then I don't want it, but that's just me. :P

Re: another anon

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
Consent issue is quite ironic in my case because I love sex pollen. Somehow I can ignore it's non-con... everything knowing that probably for fic reasons this people are going to be fine but horny. And still I can't ignore hanahaki. Maybe because it's part of world building or something.

I love angst but I don't like pining. So I prefer characters being all dramatic for non-romantic reasons. You can guess how enjoyable love flower disease is for me. :D :D