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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2023-06-16 06:21 pm

[ SECRET POST #6006 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6006 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
You can literally look up the men's and women's stats for world record performances in almost every pro sport out there and see for yourself that male athletes statistically outperform female athletes by a small but consistent margin. Enough of a margin that if you were to pit the top women against the top men in most given sports, the majority of the women would be edged out of top-level competitions.

If all competitive sports were unisex, there wouldn't be very many women in career-level competitive sports, no. I'm feminist as fuck; I'm just not interested in ignoring facts or making disingenuous, nonsensical arguments.

Trans women athletes are, obviously, not men. But they are male, and on average, without any sort of medical intervention, that gives them a significant biological advantage--as evidenced by the data. Whether or not there are humane, ethical ways of sufficiently neutralizing that advantage is another question, and possibly even one that can be answered to the satisfaction of most people. But it's honestly myopic, sexist bullshit to try to act like it shouldn't be an issue of concern for female pro athletes. This is their career, and their life's work; of course the question of whether they are competing at a biological disadvantage to other players is going to be important to them. If you are an empathetic person then that should be very easy to understand.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
But it's honestly myopic, sexist bullshit to try to act like it shouldn't be an issue of concern for female pro athletes.

I can agree that there's some extent to which it could be an issue of concern for female pro athletes.

But there is basically no overlap between the way in which it could be an issue of concern for female pro athletes, and the way in which it's talked about in actual practice in contemporary society. The way in which it's talked about in actual practice in contemporary society is entirely a product of transphobia.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
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That's why I hope the authorities will revaluate new records held by trans women. And hold separate trans women competitions.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 06:50 am (UTC)(link)
See, I don't see why we can't just do this. And not only that, but there should be separate competitions for trans men as well because they're at a disadvantage compared to cis men. That way it would put everyone on a level playing field.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
You can literally look up the men's and women's stats for world record performances in almost every pro sport out there and see for yourself that male athletes statistically outperform female athletes by a small but consistent margin.

And is this from a biological innate advantage, or the fact that women's sports are consistently undervalued, under invested, under represented, under researched, and under supported?

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
>Whether or not there are humane, ethical ways of sufficiently neutralizing that advantage is another question, and possibly even one that can be answered to the satisfaction of most people. But it's honestly myopic, sexist bullshit to try to act like it shouldn't be an issue of concern for female pro athletes.

And what's your stance on cis female pro athletes being targeted for their supposed unfair natural advantages over other cis women? Born and raised as women but banned because their testosterone levels are too high? Literally forced to take medically invasive tests and/or put on drugs to adjust their natural hormone levels to something "acceptable"? Do we care about those women or nah?

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 12:48 pm (UTC)(link)
There's also an excellent video by YouTuber Shaun where he presents a study that posits some selectivity in our evolutionary history which could contribute to these so-called "inherent biological differences." This hypothesis is also presented in Heart of Maleness, a book by Raphaël Liogier and goes as follows — that women have received less nutrition and training than men for thousands of years, because men were usually the hunters and took most of the spoils for themselves. In Liogier's book, an additional facet arises in the form of how women have been objectified in history to conform to ideas of beauty and desirability. So there's that.

Shaun's video about the topic is called "Paul Joseph Watson is Wrong About: Sports" and is 18 minutes long, and Heart of Maleness is 100 pages. For the people in the comments who are interested in doing research, hah.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-18 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
So no more black women in sports, got it.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-18 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
It's not a bug, it's a feature! TERF goes hand in hand with nazis and white supremacy.